Wednesday, September 2, 2015

It's Time to Build a Welfare Wall

I have no objections to anyone entering the United States from anywhere, whether for work or vacation (See: Libertarianism. Immigration and Gentrification). However, I do stop at the subsidization, in any fashion, for those who enter the U.S.

This brings me to the just released report by the Center for Immigration Studies. According to the report, more than half of the nation's immigrants receive some kind of government welfare, a figure that's far higher than the native-born population's.

For certain, there will be objections to the  methodology used in the study, but such arguments are only debating at the edges of the problem. The real problem is ANY level of subsidization. It is bad enough that government welfare programs exist for natural born Americans, but subsidization of immigrants creates incentive for immigrants to come to the U.S. and live off the backs of current American taxpayers.

This must be stopped, not only becasue it is a burden on American taxpayers, but also becasue it fuels the anti-immigrant fever flamed by Donald Trump and the like. Caught up in this fever are the many hardworking immigrants.

It is time for a welfare wall.

As Alex Nowrasteh writes:
If you are really concerned about immigrant welfare use, you should be in favor of reforming welfare, eliminating it, or building a wall around the welfare state.

Building a welfare wall is an excellent first step toward eliminating welfare altogether.

-RW

19 comments:

  1. I believe the first step toward eliminating welfare is to stop screwing around with the currency.
    A welfare wall will be just another failed Government program.

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  2. Restricting the immigration of people who in the majority support welfare and government largess and redistribution as Latino immigrants do is the only realistic political solution. Contrary to what Nowrasteh says there is no way to reform or eliminate welfare while importing millions more people who support it.

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    1. Re: Dave,

      ─Restricting the immigration of people who in the majority support welfare and government largess and redistribution as Latino immigrants do is the only realistic political solution.─

      Are you suggestion the government runs political purity tests on immigrants to let in only those that do not support a welfare state? Or are you saying that people of Latin American countries should be stopped at the gates like so many undesirables?

      ─Contrary to what Nowrasteh says there is no way to reform or eliminate welfare while importing millions more people who support it.─

      And someone with a bit more economic knowledge than you will tell you that Prohibitions don't work. How about that? One can be against a welfare program but quite another to think that government can bend Economic Laws.

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    2. ─For certain, there will be objections to the methodology used in the study, but such arguments are only debating at the edges of the problem.─

      You think that? I don't think so. Methodology is important in this case because groups like the Center for Immigration Studies (an anti-immigration organization) pretends to argue for policy. Knowing the truth of matters IS important.

      ─ The real problem is ANY level of subsidization.─

      Of course but how do you know the problem even *exists* if an organization that purports to halt immigration from everywhere is actively seeking to mislead you, Bob?

      ─subsidization of immigrants creates incentive for immigrants to come to the U.S. and live off the backs of current American taxpayers. ─

      You have to be an American Citizen before you can apply for welfare. Let's get that straight. Even if on the edges there are people using false Social Security numbers to apply for welfare, we would be talking about a very marginal problem. People don't go to the trouble of obtaining false SS numbers to apply for food stamps; they use them to help their employers keep them employed.

      Second, people don't come to the US to live on the dole. Immigrants come to the US seeking work. If anything, immigrants are subsidizing Americans, not the other way around.

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    3. Old Mexican. Are you originally from Mexico, yes or no? Do you support the right of property owners to defend and protect their private property, yes or no?

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  3. Its the opposite. We should encourage everyone, illegal immigrants too, to take advantage of all the welfare they can get. Why? So eventually it bankrupts all the govts and free us from them. Its the only way to rid ourselves of the toxic socialism that has infected the US. Look at Detroit. Bankrupt. And by bankrupt I mean impotent. A bankrupt govt is an impotent govt. It cant enforced regs or taxes. It has been neutered. Detroit is only now recovering, small businesses are moving back. There's much more freedom.

    Tell me another way to do it. Voting? Hahahahahaha.

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    1. Michael P. Shipley, when has a state collapse ever resulted in libertarianism? A collapse of this sort won't result in libertarianism, it will result in an ever expanding state looking to shore up its position.

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    2. The US has a unique history and culture based on freedom. Its not Venezuela. When Britain tried to retake the colonies, the colonialists didnt capitulate, they fought back. That spirit still lives in the US today, as evidenced from the articles and videos below:

      With Detroit’s Bankruptcy, Anarchists Have Begun Project “Free Detroit” – Starting a Community http://thestateweekly.com/with-detroits-bankruptcy-anarchists-have-begun-project-free-detroit-starting-a-community-2/

      Spontaneous Order Experiments Take Hold in Detroit http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/09/spontaneous-order-experiments-take-hold

      Detroit’s Amazing Pop-Up Anarchy https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/detroits-amazing-pop-up-anarchy-2/

      Anarchy in Detroit: Lawnmowers, private police, and an autonomous island in the Motor City http://reason.com/archives/2013/12/24/anarchy-in-detroit

      #Anarchy in Detroit, Part I The Mower Gang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJEzCN5kfJE

      #Anarchy in Detroit, Part II Detroit Threat Management https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnPZ1yuoFIc

      #Anarchy in Detroit, Part III Fireweed Universe City https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ5ZgmjuTt8

      #Anarchy in Detroit, Part IV Belle Isle Commonwealth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwTq6xlEXpQ

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    3. Matt@Occidentalism.org,

      When has voting ever resulted in a Libertarian society?

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    4. Joel and Stacey,

      I don't vote and don't advocate voting. Not sure what you are talking about.

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  4. Check your premises. Your conclusion is backwards. Because you've swallowed the cultural Kool-Aid in how you're thinking about the state. You need to pop a booster red pill.

    The state is not "us." The state is "them." The state's resources are no longer ours to control. Its resources are its to control. And are used by it to hurt us. For us to help the state husband them is warped thinking. It is Stockholm Syndrome.

    Tax rates are not linked to demand for state money. Demand for free money is infinite at all times. Demand does not determine the amount of state spending, supply does.

    The more immigrants we can have diverting state resources from state aggressive use to private non-aggressive use, the less capable of aggression the state is and the better off we will be. Open the gates.

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    1. Lets apply the same principle to immigration as the minimum wage. When people demand a $15 minimum wage, libertarians answer "why not $50 dollars"?. So in relation to this migration thing, lets open the gates to 1 or 2 billion people. Lets see the libertarian paradise that eventuates.

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    2. "The more immigrants we can have diverting state resources from state aggressive use to private non-aggressive use, the less capable of aggression the state is and the better off we will be. Open the gates."

      To quote bionic mosquito, "ha ha ha ha ha ha"

      Like all those people are going to leave you and your pocketbook alone.

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    3. @Matt

      vs.what. Vs. authoritarian state control, planning, and management of freedom of movement? Vs. carefully preserving the state's guns? This is what you advocate?

      This is not about achieving libertarian paradise. This is about disadvantaging the state, disempowering it, de-resourcing it. If even only 1/1,000,000th. This is the axis along which the decision should be made.

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    4. OK, where does the state get its resources? You are talking about taking resources from me, not the state.

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  5. Libertarians are consistent about the non-initiation of violence principle. Two places it does not work so well are international relations and free immigration. Countries do not live in a civilized confederation but in a state of nature. There are no courts or police to enforce fair rules. If you want to stop aggression such as in Crimea, you may have to accept all out war with a superpower, or you can ignore smaller aggression etc. People bring their cultures and I could do without: squalor, talking in movies and live performances, bribery corruption, etc. There are cultures on this planet which have more of each of these things.

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  6. No one talks about the burden of public school costs to the community -- there is a tipping point -- where the number of children schooled to the illegal immigrants income becomes a subsidization -- and while no one I suspect counts this as a subsidy -- the Hispanic child producing population explosion has inescapable consequences.

    I am aware that public rather than private education is the root problem.

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    1. And the burden on the infrastructure, like roads. Those immigrants are also awful drivers and cause a lot of accidents.

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  7. I live in Australia. Some migrant groups from certain countries have up to 90% dependence on welfare.The more of them that come the more power they have in this ridiculous democracy that we have.

    Libertarians that think that libertatianism will be achieved by importing the worst of the third world are deluded.

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