Thursday, July 12, 2018

This is How Bad C10S Disease Can Get


In response to my post at Target Liberty, Some Responses to Trump Fanboys, Joshua Bennett emails:
I recently had a conversation with a friend in his 60’s who farms about 2,000 acres in Minnesota.
He has always been open to listening to me talking about libertarianism and Austrian economics. He generally hates the government.
Until now.
he was lamenting to me that he could lose his farm because he has $700,000 worth of soy beans, $400,000 worth of corn, and $200,000 worth of wheat sitting in his storage silos that he can’t sell. When I asked him if he was just waiting for higher prices, he said no, the “damn Chinese tariffs shut us down”. Not being able to sell to China has caused a huge over abundance in the States.
So, I went on about tariffs and how evil they were and how they hurt the little people and how terrible the Trump policy was.
Then he stops me.

“No Josh, Ol Trump is just doing what he thinks he needs to do to fix what Obama ruined! He just trying to make America a good country again and I support whatever he does 100%.”

Even if he loses everything.

C10S sufferer.

Blew me away so I thought I would share
.RW note: I am starting to see other reports along this line.

From CNBC:

It is time for a smoke break at the Harley-Davidson power-train facility in Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin, and the talk is all about tariffs...
The workers gathered outside the factory gate could end up as collateral damage, but most are sticking by their man regardless. Wearing earphones draped around their necks and safety blinders on their glasses, most happily volunteer that they voted for Mr Trump and would do so again — tariffs or no tariffs.

“He wouldn’t do it unless it needed to be done, he’s a very smart businessman,” said one Harley employee...
The men and women who build these famous American motorcycles are weighing the latest unintended consequence of Donald Trump’s presidency: the possibility they could lose their jobs because of a tit-for-tat trade war that has caught the Harley in its crossfire.
These are serious C10S sufferers.


24 comments:

  1. For most people political positions are just fashion statements.

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  2. He cares more about his country than he does his own bottom line. What a piece of shit!

    Only in the Losertarian echo chamber is sacrifice considered a sin and selfishness considered a virtue. No wonder this movement waned so quickly.

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    1. What does it mean to care about "his country"? Assuming you don't mean the physical landscape, the US comprises 320 million people, all with very different interests. How can any action he takes simultaneously be in the best interests of all those people?

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    2. Everyone knows what these basic terms mean. Playing dumb is not an effective way to spread libertarianism.

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    3. Collectivism = "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" i.e. Be a drone, sacrifice your life or your moral character or well-being for the hive. Contrast that with Individualism (the foundation of libertarianism), which hold individual life important and inherently worthwhile for its own sake.
      Twerking Surgeon, and Lab Manager, and a few others---guess where their loyalty lies? Pretty clear, it's the former... Repulsive, to say the least. Every day I wonder why they come to this site...They need to hang-out at American Thinker, or Daily Wire, or Front Page...

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    4. “Bbbut... He *cares* about me.”

      Trumptards are fast becoming even more pathetic in their toadyism that Obamabots were.

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    5. TS, I'm willing to concede that I'm actually dumb, not just playing dumb. Humor me, what do you mean by caring about one's country? Well-being can only accrue to individuals, not amorphous concepts like countries.

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    6. Lolbertarians worship collectivism once you call it a 'business'.

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    7. Paul, I don't know what "lolbertarians" are, but libertarians are agnostic about the form in which humans organize themselves, as long as it does not involve coercion. Businesses, common-interest associations, charities, mutual-aid societies, religious groups, etc. are all forms of "collectivism" which operate voluntarily and therefore which libertarians accept. The state is the only form of "collectivism" which libertarians reject, because it is based on coercion.

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    8. @NAPster
      Unless it's racism, then they whine about how it's collectivism to recognize problematic pattern behavior in groups (unless of course they're demonizing whites, then it's okay).

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    9. Paul, I think you're mixing up concepts. You chose the term "collectivism" to label one form of human association -- a business -- but I don't think that's a good use of that word (which is why I kept it in quotation marks). Instead, I take "collectivism" to mean a philosophy that (a) for the purposes of blame or compensation, treats individuals within a group as identical substitutes for one another, and (b) associates rights and liabilities with groups, as opposed to individuals. I think this philosophy is flawed, regardless of the gender, race, religion, nationality, etc. of the group.

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    10. NAPster
      While I understand that you see the concept as flawed, since viewing an individual on the merits of the group they belong to is a poor way of judging character, it does serve a purpose. It doesn't matter to me that most moslems don't detonate themselves in terrorist attacks, it's the fact that most of the people that detonate themselves in terrorist attacks are moslem. I can greatly decrease my chances of terrorism by excluding moslems from my society.

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    11. Paul, you raise a very important point, which requires some elaboration.

      Without commenting on your specific example, I agree that most people, including me, use stereotyping (to varying degrees) as an efficient way to deal non-violently with strangers, at least until they get to know each individual better. For instance, I would probably choose to stay away from a bar filled with Hells Angels, unless I got to know one or two of them better and they invited me to come drink with them.

      But the crucial fact is that these are all voluntary, private interactions. My beef with the collectivist philosophy is how it permeates into state action. Statists want the state to assign blame and compensation, rights and liabilities, and thus protection, attack, regulation, subsidies, etc. based on class membership.

      If private individuals want to non-violently exclude certain groups from their private property (or forcibly remove them if trespassing), have at it. As usual, however, once the state and so-called "public property" is involved, it is not possible to easily translate these concepts without running afoul of the NAP.

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    12. Paul Hansen,

      You clearly do not understand libertarianism - you ought to be 10000% free to exclude moslems [sic] from your property (I happen to find it an entirely odious act, but its your property and I am quite certain although I am as white and american born as they come, we would not get along)!! However, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to infringe upon the rights of others to associate with whomever they please on their own property

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    13. Danger Pioneer,

      You clearly don't understand the world we live in. While I "ought" to be free to exclude moslems, I'm not allowed to. I'm forced by the state to do business with them unless I want to get sued into bankruptcy for discrimination. What ought to happen and what does happen are two different things. So long as other groups use the state as a weapon against me, I will do the same to the best of my ability.

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  3. I have seen tweets from my farming friends in Minnesota and North Dakota supporting the tariffs even though it is going to bankrupt them too.

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  5. He is putting his money where his mouth is at least. I've yet to hear of any open border libertardian move to some turd world poop hole to put their ideas into practice on some level. Or adopt a bunch low IQ goat humpers and make them into limited government libertardians.

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    1. He sure is and he is hollowing out the middle class and the people that put him in office. He is following orders.

      I think we need to start calling him The Liar in Chief

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  6. Kinda calling B.S. on the farmer story, a 2000 acre farm in MN wouldn't be able to produce that much, unless this farm is over 50% more productive per acre than the average. Not likely.

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  7. The only way to think about Trump is to understand that he is a Democrat, an Archie Bunker Democrat. The regular Democrats are Meathead Democrats. Both groups believe in the magical and religious power of the U.S. government to cure the Great Depression and to remake Germany and Japan through terror bombing and fire bombing. Those powers are always available even today as the sole cure of most problems we face in the present and future. However, the two wings of the party generally fight about the proper focus of those magical powers and about lifestyle choices. Since the government has assumed plenary economic power, the gang that controls it controls the entire country.

    Trump’s obsession with tariffs is just like the Meathead Democrats’ obsession with raising the minimum wage. Both groups claim to represent a group that (implicitly, according to them) is hopeless and helpless in negotiating good compensation packages. The Meatheads obsess about minorities and women while the Trumpistas obsess about white guys. They seem to think that both the minimum wage hikes and the tariffs will force those mean evil businesses to pay the oppressed groups what they should be paid. Both sides assume that the government (through its magical powers) can easily create through legislation a situation where the vast armies of the unskilled will be paid $20 per hour (plus great health insurance and benefits) to make items that sell for $1 at Dollar Tree. The minimum wage hike and/or the tariffs will do the trick. Opponents are un-American.

    I think they are confused in precisely the same manner.

    I also think that even if Hillary had been elected, the Trumpistas would still believe in the magical powers of the U.S. government even if they temporarily gave a libertarian candidate here and there 6% of the vote.

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    1. Perfectly stated - well almost - I'm not sure why you aren't including republicans as well - they worship at the altar of the state no less than any democrat

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    2. "Republicans" are Archie Bunker Democrats. One party, two branches.

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    3. Perhaps they should be called Frank Rizzo Democrats.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv_8ARusiXM

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