tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post2050350358971657079..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Israel's Ludicrous Tale About the Attack on the USS LibertyRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-11193623903894905882012-12-02T00:56:11.131-05:002012-12-02T00:56:11.131-05:00And make sure to watch, Dead In The Water, the BBC...And make sure to watch, <a href="http://vimeo.com/6686193" rel="nofollow">Dead In The Water</a>, the BBC documentary on the attack.Frankhttp://icymi.conoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-84279544402779631622012-12-01T12:09:35.917-05:002012-12-01T12:09:35.917-05:00I am a Jew and live in Israel (grew up in Los Ange...I am a Jew and live in Israel (grew up in Los Angeles though). I am not old enough to remember the war or the incident (born in 1966). However, there are some good points to consider.<br /><br />1. The idea that the US was spying only on Egyptian or Soviet comms is ludicrous on its face. The only question is, which I am not concerned with, but the Israeli government at the time certainly would Shimshonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158609487960587917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-40919630935213388152012-12-01T07:53:04.459-05:002012-12-01T07:53:04.459-05:00Yeah but it sucks that they only seem to have thes...Yeah but it sucks that they only seem to have these 'epiphanies' after they've already participated in the killing. Why are we so quick to forgive them when we don't forgive regular murderers who come to regret what they did?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10579799109070553474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-74635037663828858292012-11-30T22:12:08.744-05:002012-11-30T22:12:08.744-05:00I want to add something to my comment above.
The...I want to add something to my comment above. <br /><br />The vast majority of veterans (at least recent vets of Afghanistan or Iraq) are Ron Paul supporters, and many of them are more passionate than I am. When they find out that I've been following him for 15 years, and know a LOT about his philosophy and why he opposes government intervention, foreign AND domestic, they listen like I'm Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-36394634564258052132012-11-30T22:02:48.405-05:002012-11-30T22:02:48.405-05:00Cap'n-
These guys were doing work in service ...Cap'n-<br /><br />These guys were doing work in service of The Empire. Yes, self defense is perfectly acceptable, but when you've stirred the hornets nest, and bombed or threatened to bomb it, and cut off their access to goods...well, getting stung is just the price you pay. <br /><br />These guys are broken. When BJ talks about the guys in his command (and he rarely does, just on nights Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-9346796188710935712012-11-30T20:16:50.268-05:002012-11-30T20:16:50.268-05:00The sailors who died were professional killers, no...The sailors who died were professional killers, not "good men."Dollar Skepticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-48748060393061689402012-11-30T19:54:52.902-05:002012-11-30T19:54:52.902-05:00Governments don't act, people with influence o...Governments don't act, people with influence or power within governments do.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17018718341065715200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-10218064939504191092012-11-30T18:58:52.430-05:002012-11-30T18:58:52.430-05:00I get yer drift.
I am sick of this "honor our...I get yer drift.<br />I am sick of this "honor our heroes" crap I get every time I just want to watch some football.<br />But I have a valid point if you'll hear me out.<br />This is NOT about the empire. This is about legitimate defense. Not defense as in the dept. of defense/offence.<br />Legitimate defense.<br />Intelligence gathering (passive) is a legitimate defense activity. ICapn Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-6579733459926453202012-11-30T16:06:07.578-05:002012-11-30T16:06:07.578-05:00Cap'n Mike-
Have you ever heard of the "...Cap'n Mike-<br /><br />Have you ever heard of the "Return of the Jedi" argument? It's from the movie Clerks (filthy, wonderful flick) and centers around the plumbers, electricians, etc. working on The Death Star that they blow up. The point made is they KNEW they were working for an "Evil Empire" and went anyway. They deserved whatever happened to them. <br /><br />My Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-2685969621447720782012-11-30T15:15:12.041-05:002012-11-30T15:15:12.041-05:00Well goddammit, I blame them! 34 good men died tha...Well goddammit, I blame them! 34 good men died that day. THEY were doing their duty. Of all the activities of our military, this sort of intelligence work is the most valuable. It is NOT offensive!<br />The LACK of good intelligence is how wars start.<br />They were NOT in Israeli waters!!!<br />There is NO EXCUSE for the Israeli actions that day.<br />Capn Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-15081294875729616112012-11-30T14:52:23.217-05:002012-11-30T14:52:23.217-05:00It's true the US government shouldn't have...It's true the US government shouldn't have been entangled in the conflict at all and has much blood on its hands. But Israel poses as an ally of the US government and receives massive aid from it. Therefore the question of whether or not the attack was intentional is of historical and current political significance. Schindler's link to "recent evidence" showing the attackJonathan Jaechhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10379443520888976176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-79320070411897677052012-11-30T14:28:40.570-05:002012-11-30T14:28:40.570-05:00I don't blame a country for anything anymore. ...I don't blame a country for anything anymore. Hiding behind those flags, slogans and outfits are a tiny minority of individuals who have a set of values and ethics very different than mine. We can only hope that someday an opportunity will come to meet them personally with full knowledge of them and their deeds.shakingfistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-54767155467397308902012-11-30T13:17:00.158-05:002012-11-30T13:17:00.158-05:00It's hard to blame Israel without being hypocr...It's hard to blame Israel without being hypocritical, the US has done far worse.<br /><br />For example, putting ships in harms way of someone else's war, never mind the whole issue that there should be no offensive navy floating around the world such as we are forced to have.Dollar Skepticnoreply@blogger.com