tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post216721099984983990..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Walter Block: The Case for Suing the New York Times for LibelRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91867021787597415912014-02-10T13:27:38.023-05:002014-02-10T13:27:38.023-05:00"Deciding when someone or something maybe be ..."Deciding when someone or something maybe be an agent of the State is as subjective apparently as deciding what is or is not property."<br /><br />I would like to clarify that this does not apply to the case of the NYT's, as pointed out by RW in the post dated 02/10/14 and any suggestion that it should or does is not what I intended nor represents the objective truth that the NYT&#Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21469743113337856332014-02-10T12:46:04.133-05:002014-02-10T12:46:04.133-05:00I didn't see anyone else mention this, but the... I didn't see anyone else mention this, but there are some unpleasant externalities to a libel suit. If there is a jury trial, a jury pool of perhaps 30 or more persons will be subjected to the involuntary servitude imposed by the state. A judge and others will also be paid for by the taxpayers.<br /><br /> I also oppose suing because it seems hypocritical. Just because the libeler is a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51961535561131717722014-02-10T10:41:19.340-05:002014-02-10T10:41:19.340-05:00Tony,
I have a friend who once told me he was goi...Tony,<br /><br />I have a friend who once told me he was going to sign up for food stamps, welfare, any government freebie that he could acquire because "it's all fiat money anyway!" This friend is a state-hater, but had essentially come to the same conclusion you have when you say:<br /><br />"...in a statist society, it would be entirely counter-productive to apply Rick Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11751593125225334255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-16874754422709430392014-02-09T16:17:59.283-05:002014-02-09T16:17:59.283-05:00I disagree.
While this does apply in a libertarian...I disagree.<br />While this does apply in a libertarian society, we are not living in one, and are ruled by laws which are profoundly unjust.<br /><br />We can apply the NAP in a way conforming with libertarian principle in a libertarian society, because in that case the results are according to libertarian justice.<br /><br />However, in a statist society, it would be entirely counter-productiveTonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-1841601958699158652014-02-09T14:05:47.646-05:002014-02-09T14:05:47.646-05:00Thank you for the note BM, I appreciate your work ...Thank you for the note BM, I appreciate your work and everyone's else's here I reference, including Block, Wenzel, Hoppe and many others.Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-63769549626171860422014-02-09T13:49:24.383-05:002014-02-09T13:49:24.383-05:00"Your assertion (as well as Wenzel's) tha..."Your assertion (as well as Wenzel's) that the State and it's agents have no rights, (and are not innocent parties) and that, thus, violence can be justifiably employed in response to an action that doesn't violate the NAP (like libel) is inconsistent with the proper application of force."<br /><br />That's how I see it too Rick. Deciding when someone or something maybe Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-25337400584727070352014-02-09T13:46:17.058-05:002014-02-09T13:46:17.058-05:00Nick
I share your sentiments, struggles, disdains...Nick<br /><br />I share your sentiments, struggles, disdains, etc., on this general topic.bionic mosquitohttp://bionicmosquito.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-42114267585261895602014-02-09T13:36:08.663-05:002014-02-09T13:36:08.663-05:00edit: "Rothbard does NOT seem consistent"...edit: "Rothbard does NOT seem consistent" & "His ENTIRE argument in the quoted passage"<br /><br />I wish there was a way we could edit our posts.<br /><br />Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-89195109444218556842014-02-09T13:21:19.190-05:002014-02-09T13:21:19.190-05:00Thanks, Dr. Block! I have been waiting on the edg...Thanks, Dr. Block! I have been waiting on the edge of my seat for your analysis of your decision, and it was a great read! However, I disagree...<br /><br />The libertarian NAP is ultimately a framework for the application of violence. When the NAP is violated, the victim can justifiably use violence in defense. Your assertion (as well as Wenzel's) that the State and it's agents have Rick Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11751593125225334255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-84166323314265448792014-02-09T13:04:39.880-05:002014-02-09T13:04:39.880-05:00Walter, your trials and tribulations notwithstandi...Walter, your trials and tribulations notwithstanding, have you considered the fact that the NYT's article represents an opportunity? Other than recently, when was the last time that major news outlets talked about libertarianism? (pretty much never) <br /><br />Okay, I will grant that the NYT will probably be non-existant in less than 10 years, and will thus be irrelevant. But still! It'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21455123994678215092014-02-09T12:52:39.202-05:002014-02-09T12:52:39.202-05:00Thanks for publishing this.Thanks for publishing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55824537190081922362014-02-09T12:09:49.483-05:002014-02-09T12:09:49.483-05:00First, a big "THANK YOU" to Dr. Block fo...First, a big "THANK YOU" to Dr. Block for explaining his reasoning to us.<br /><br />I will start be quoting the crux of the debate IMO via Rothbard:<br /><br />"For everyone, as we have stated, owns his own body; he has a property right in his own head and person. But since every man owns his own mind, he cannot therefore own the minds of anyone else. And yet Jones’s ‘reputation’ Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-56963118890536501002014-02-09T11:40:22.902-05:002014-02-09T11:40:22.902-05:00"For evidence that the New York Times, and/or..."For evidence that the New York Times, and/or its significant owners, the Sulzbergers, have donated money to the government, see here, here and here."<br /><br />This is really all that needs to be said. Monetary support to the authoritarian state means being complicit with that authoritarian state's actions. it means the NYT has "bought away" its innocence vis-a-vis the Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-45230504273276402222014-02-09T10:56:38.586-05:002014-02-09T10:56:38.586-05:00Fantastic, knew Walter would deliver. Not sure i ...Fantastic, knew Walter would deliver. Not sure i am entirely clear on the criteria of "member of the ruling flass" however. What about a big campaign donor's private blog? Twitter account? That of a poor obscure man who hopes to join the ruling class someday? At some level, anybody who slanders libertarians with politicalg oals in mind?<br /><br />Jerry Wolfgang?<br /><br />A Timothyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10985763976152286027noreply@blogger.com