tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post2960793778068267393..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Initial Report on DebateRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-12818036662561773972018-10-01T23:19:22.964-04:002018-10-01T23:19:22.964-04:00zzzzzzKante Luishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13941884064793276353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-56322846759853629432013-04-03T14:06:30.149-04:002013-04-03T14:06:30.149-04:00>> 99.99% of people would call you a madman ...>> 99.99% of people would call you a madman if you told them you thought that science was on the verge...<br /><br />You argue like Kinsella. If you can't respond to the point, change the subject.<br /><br />YOUR point was that if anyone could read your mind and copy your thoughts, you didn't care if they did. MY point was that 99.99% (or really 99.99999%) of people WOULD care Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-18323600664253873822013-04-02T17:13:04.342-04:002013-04-02T17:13:04.342-04:0099.99% of people would call you a madman if you to...99.99% of people would call you a madman if you told them you thought that science was on the verge of being able to remotely view, copy and interpret your thoughts. I don't need to try to use an argumentum ad populem like you though.<br /><br />Tell me how you are going to access MY hard drive right now without modifying it or some other piece of hardware along the line to my hardware. You Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-87962750431992328502013-04-02T02:01:52.572-04:002013-04-02T02:01:52.572-04:00You may be cool with just anyone being able to gai...You may be cool with just anyone being able to gain access to every memory, every intimate thought, every bank account number, etc. but I suspect 99.99% of people aren't.<br /><br />And to say that scanning the brain is pure sci-fi I don't agree with either. You just pointed out that memories are "physical rather than conceptual" meaning they are reproducible. It's coming - Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-10171722926651776372013-04-02T01:39:15.595-04:002013-04-02T01:39:15.595-04:00So... you weren't paid for your time in develo...So... you weren't paid for your time in developing the solution?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17155858114246195360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-84354068468706491322013-04-01T23:36:35.690-04:002013-04-01T23:36:35.690-04:00If you were able to remotely read my ideas/thought...If you were able to remotely read my ideas/thoughts/memories and could do it without modifying them, needing to plug something into my skull or make any other type of physical invasion, I'm cool with it.<br /><br />This is pure sci-fi fantasy though. Google an article titled "MIT discovers the location of memories: Individual neurons" which says in part:<br /><br />"The main Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-29318731700784464442013-04-01T23:07:53.254-04:002013-04-01T23:07:53.254-04:00What I think you'll discover is that the peopl...What I think you'll discover is that the people most against IP don't actually produce any themselves. It's just peachy by them to steal the fruits of other people's labor.<br /><br />But suppose that our thoughts are just so much information. The same arguments they use to justify stealing someone's IP can also be used to justify stealing a person's most intimate thoughtsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-39157538811913764462013-04-01T21:29:09.021-04:002013-04-01T21:29:09.021-04:00Don't know if Wenzel made this point since I s...Don't know if Wenzel made this point since I stopped listening 40 mins in (too much arguing, not enough argument) but if you are against IP, you must also be against self-ownership.<br /><br />Self-ownership is the principle that you own You. And You is the information contained in your brain (like your ideas!). If you are against IP, then you should have no problem with anyone reading your Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-4300707638794024152013-04-01T21:00:17.982-04:002013-04-01T21:00:17.982-04:00The whole notion that IP is just about protecting ...The whole notion that IP is just about protecting an "idea" is reductio ad absurdum.<br /><br />IP is created as a product of labor and resources meeting the Lockean definition of property. IP (like a movie or software) can involve 1000's of manhours and millions of dollars at-risk.<br /><br />And people like Kinsella, Tucker and Moly would say it's OK for a teenager to rip a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-27650445496892034252013-04-01T18:54:43.167-04:002013-04-01T18:54:43.167-04:00Nathan: "By contrast, if I hold a certain amo...Nathan: "By contrast, if I hold a certain amount of gold (or any other physical object), then the amount of gold available for others to possess is diminished."<br /><br />Nick: “Really? What if I include the universe? Is gold "scarce" then by your definition(a limit on those that can possess it)?”<br /><br />Hi, Nick, thanks for the response.<br />I take it you’re talking Nathan Byrdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15267275486291742633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-33907622612128793172013-04-01T17:45:09.737-04:002013-04-01T17:45:09.737-04:00I am the only person to hold X idea; therefore the...I am the only person to hold X idea; therefore the idea is scarce; therefore I may now use force to keep others from using X idea with their own property.<br /><br />Even if it was true that one person holding an idea rendered the idea "scarce" in the economic sense (it does not), the following conclusion is a non sequitur. Ted Sonnierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15503098243357682066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-50066683746536098642013-04-01T17:31:23.383-04:002013-04-01T17:31:23.383-04:00Which, if the anti-IP crowd got their way, is why ...Which, if the anti-IP crowd got their way, is why information would be pushed underground.<br /><br />I once needed to engineer a solution to get around the weaknesses in a standard BIOS bootstrap (I'm being intentionally vague here). In a couple of hours of working with one of my engineers I had a plan that seemed pretty solid. When we actually went to implement the plan, it turned out Pandemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315340208949970292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-3280583202632764352013-04-01T16:07:48.638-04:002013-04-01T16:07:48.638-04:00"By contrast, if I hold a certain amount of g..."By contrast, if I hold a certain amount of gold (or any other physical object), then the amount of gold available for others to possess is diminished."<br /><br />Really? What if I include the universe? Is gold "scarce" then by your definition(a limit on those that can possess it)?<br /><br />"The reason the formula for getting a Drudge headline is not scarce (in the Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-89051685265413905112013-04-01T15:29:16.591-04:002013-04-01T15:29:16.591-04:00I can't wait to find out on what you believe I...I can't wait to find out on what you believe IP should look like. I get Kinsella, he is against IP. I don't get yours yet, hopefully you lay out what you believe the correct view is. I'm sure it's not the other extreme, i.e. everything is IP and IP lasts forever.<br /><br />Hopefully the debate was substantive and productive, I will be disappointed if much time is wasted on silly Matthew Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06967357155163097445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-43529320244660965792013-04-01T15:16:30.672-04:002013-04-01T15:16:30.672-04:00Yes, that was my reaction as well. I'll be su...Yes, that was my reaction as well. I'll be surprised if Kinsella allowed Wenzel to use 'scarce' in such a way, though, since it's such a crucial economic concept, and especially if they're using Rothbard, Hoppe, and others who would not misuse the concept in that way.<br />The reason the formula for getting a Drudge headline is not scarce (in the economic sense) is that one Nathan Byrdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15267275486291742633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-41070243391531933222013-04-01T14:54:28.916-04:002013-04-01T14:54:28.916-04:00the so called 'drudge' formula is not even...the so called 'drudge' formula is not even an economic good available for consumption as long as it is in your head.the moment you reveal it is out there in the world,it is not scarce anymore.<br />if this debate was based not on first principles,but on appeals to authorities or what rothbard or mises said,it was an opportunity wastedDsylexichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03882859273018168075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-38572203287708375862013-04-01T14:45:31.346-04:002013-04-01T14:45:31.346-04:00Actually, I just realized that was closer to my al...Actually, I just realized that was closer to my alternate list. Oh well, 3 out of 5 ain't bad.<br />Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-23801748540346180382013-04-01T14:41:16.436-04:002013-04-01T14:41:16.436-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-58613829801484912012013-04-01T14:38:04.673-04:002013-04-01T14:38:04.673-04:00So Kinsella quotes Hoppe when his arguments are ab...So Kinsella quotes Hoppe when his arguments are about non-scarcity. I guess what you're trying to say is that the argument made in relation to superabundance cannot be applicable in the context of non-scarcity. Again, I wait for the text or recording.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-79768708991593258552013-04-01T14:32:53.640-04:002013-04-01T14:32:53.640-04:00I wait to hear the debate before formulating any v...I wait to hear the debate before formulating any view as to who came out on top.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-35475121432908038372013-04-01T14:32:50.078-04:002013-04-01T14:32:50.078-04:00You seem to be equivocating on the word "scar...You seem to be equivocating on the word "scarce," using it in the popular sense, not the economic sense, but I'm certainly interested in checking out the full debate when it's posted!Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17155858114246195360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-54896415154045234522013-04-01T14:32:40.969-04:002013-04-01T14:32:40.969-04:00I use Hoppe against Kinsella. Kinsella quotes Hopp...I use Hoppe against Kinsella. Kinsella quotes Hoppe when Hoppe references superabundance in contrast to scarcity. Most of Kinsella's arguments are about so-called non-scarcity but are also not superabundant. So why does Kinsella quote Hoppe on the superabundance point? He's either confused or wants to mislead.Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91267591540037662222013-04-01T14:32:32.307-04:002013-04-01T14:32:32.307-04:00Drat.
But you know, speaking of Greenspan, it'...Drat.<br /><br />But you know, speaking of Greenspan, it's funny how the people guessing socialists as jokes weren't too far off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-45662409364150823492013-04-01T14:26:44.478-04:002013-04-01T14:26:44.478-04:00Well, Hoppe agrees with Kinsella on IP. Well, Hoppe agrees with Kinsella on IP. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13469400856881249099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-29496675052416925462013-04-01T14:25:52.748-04:002013-04-01T14:25:52.748-04:00I used Murray Rothbard, Hans Hoppe, Ludwig von Mis...I used Murray Rothbard, Hans Hoppe, Ludwig von Mises and David Gordon.<br /><br />There was a neat way I was going to use Alan Greenspan, but I didn't get to it. It will be in the booklet. Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.com