tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post3888687741448275356..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: On Confronting the Federal GovernmentRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-27393962093519572322014-04-16T23:02:57.919-04:002014-04-16T23:02:57.919-04:00"Disagreements between libertarian and non-li..."Disagreements between libertarian and non-libertarian concepts of property are not esoteric; they are quite relevant as everyone is forced to live on the same planet for now."<br /><br />I don't believe we are in a stage where the discussion of property definitions are of the proper importance to a significant part of society, so I do believe those discussions esoteric for now. ButNick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-18877340073545631522014-04-16T22:43:21.960-04:002014-04-16T22:43:21.960-04:00Taking on the govt directly doesn't mean being...Taking on the govt directly doesn't mean being shot - governments are notoriously ineffective against guerrilla warfare. But that essentially means giving up nice and comfortable lifestyle of a tracked and tractable urbanite, and committing to the rather unpleasant guerrilla lifestyle. The actual bodily risk in even direct frontal armed attack on the government is not that large - even averrosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-23815929155556817762014-04-16T15:07:21.504-04:002014-04-16T15:07:21.504-04:00"Check out larken rose and his struggle with ..."Check out larken rose and his struggle with the IRS. Probably 95% + of citizens view "tax cheats" as low life criminals for simply trying to not be robbed. Most everyone cheers when tax cheats are jailed because they view government as being morally just in stealing money. First you need to win over public opinion, then confronting the extremely limited number if rats in Mikehttp://www.antiwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-32448403341191783242014-04-16T15:04:57.500-04:002014-04-16T15:04:57.500-04:00"Actually, it would probably be more like, &q..."Actually, it would probably be more like, "These libertarians want you to die in the streets by eliminating your right to health care!""<br /><br />LOL! That's because those delusional left turd idiots think only The Great God Government can provide healthcare. The sheer idiocy of this kind of thinking always cracks me up. One of their weak arguments is that, "Well, Mikehttp://www.antiwar.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-65682501724253837812014-04-16T13:53:05.766-04:002014-04-16T13:53:05.766-04:00Disagreements between libertarian and non-libertar...Disagreements between libertarian and non-libertarian concepts of property are not esoteric; they are quite relevant as everyone is forced to live on the same planet for now.<br /><br />"...and is logically consistent when agreement on what 'property' is, is accepted by the parties concerned." This assumption is false. That is the problem. Diversity in viewpoints includes Bill Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06164227782968108495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-47870642456894655842014-04-16T12:43:18.718-04:002014-04-16T12:43:18.718-04:00If you followed what actually happened, the LAPD w...If you followed what actually happened, the LAPD was terrified and that is not up for debate. They shot up a random Hispanic woman's truck with dozens of shots bc they thought it was a 300 lb black male - and every shot missed, of course. They admitted they did this despite a wrong truck and wrong person bc they were scared. <br /><br />Dormer ended up dead bc he wanted to die, but in the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-673781834779609252014-04-16T11:24:40.334-04:002014-04-16T11:24:40.334-04:00Chris Dorner still ended up dead. Whether or not h...Chris Dorner still ended up dead. Whether or not he "terrified" the LAPD for a short while is beside the point. I don't see how this is supposed to make a case for violent resistance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-3202664576067632532014-04-16T09:48:28.672-04:002014-04-16T09:48:28.672-04:00"As Ron Paul states, the government has more ..."As Ron Paul states, the government has more guns, more efficient guns and more personnel to carry out force, than an individual, or group of individuals can muster."<br /><br />Excuse me?:<br /><br />The Federalist No. 46<br />http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm<br /><br />"Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-43586261510688491632014-04-16T01:19:08.272-04:002014-04-16T01:19:08.272-04:00What about the citizens in Nazi Germany? Or Sovie...What about the citizens in Nazi Germany? Or Soviet Russia? Or Pol Pot Cambodia? Or Mao China? <br /><br />How moral is to sit by and NOT use force if the govt is taking away Jews for concentration camps? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51407091881752699102014-04-15T21:31:49.144-04:002014-04-15T21:31:49.144-04:00Robert take it easy. I didn't misquote you. Th...Robert take it easy. I didn't misquote you. Those were your words.<br /><br />"It is correct that I believe that direct confrontation with the government almost never makes sense."<br /><br />Q: If you are unwilling to take up arms against those who arm against you, where does that put you on the food chain?<br /><br />A: Soylent Green.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-38447640137976434692014-04-15T21:10:16.625-04:002014-04-15T21:10:16.625-04:00"Libertarians won't even agree upon a com..."Libertarians won't even agree upon a complete definition of property; there is no way a significant fraction of a society will be able to."<br /><br />Bill, I'm going to disagree with you there. The disagreements over what constitutes 'property' are still somewhat esoteric discussions, and even among those who disagree on those edges, they are most likely in agreement Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-15837354182178186852014-04-15T20:20:24.014-04:002014-04-15T20:20:24.014-04:00The point of guerrilla war or 4GW isn't to win...The point of guerrilla war or 4GW isn't to win in a head on battle - it is to make it so ugly and difficult that the big bully quits as America did in Vietnam or Russia in Afghanistan or soon to be America in Afghanistan. And those sides didnt have access to the Internet to find out where the homes are of the Feds, ways of cutting off their supplies, ways of encircling their bases and policeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-39832414418868151622014-04-15T20:09:12.719-04:002014-04-15T20:09:12.719-04:00As we speak, there are several hundred thousand ci...As we speak, there are several hundred thousand citizens in CT and around a million in New York State who are refusing to register their rifles that were the subject of state laws passed after Newtown. In New York, people are openly burning registration cards and telling the government to come try and confiscate.<br /><br />In both states, the governors are backing down quietly since most of theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-28578719098141071882014-04-15T19:43:47.373-04:002014-04-15T19:43:47.373-04:00How is not wanting to get shot demonstrating high ...How is not wanting to get shot demonstrating high time preference?Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-42688350558990357172014-04-15T19:41:31.207-04:002014-04-15T19:41:31.207-04:00If the American fed govt started a war via gun con...If the American fed govt started a war via gun confiscation of the America public, then this former delta member made famous in the black hawk down movie completely disagrees with your take here:<br /><br />http://blog.wilsoncombat.com/paul-howe/2nd-amendment-and-the-kool-aid-drinkers-by-paul-howe/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-23973047075216609532014-04-15T19:32:13.520-04:002014-04-15T19:32:13.520-04:00Shoot-out can be a very good marketing strategy. B...Shoot-out can be a very good marketing strategy. Besides, there is no need to exterminate statists and other thieves. It is enough to make the costs of predation to exceed that of the benefits, and tbe predators will either starve or move away. What you are missing, Robert, is that any conflict involves trading personal safety for a future gain. You may consider the trade to be unfavourable, but averrosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-79495372231430290452014-04-15T18:21:30.763-04:002014-04-15T18:21:30.763-04:00That's just the point. There can be no functi...That's just the point. There can be no functioning NAP without first having a uniform definition of property which is needed to identify aggressive acts.<br /><br />Libertarians won't even agree upon a complete definition of property; there is no way a significant fraction of a society will be able to.<br /><br />Without all involved parties accepting the same definition of property the Bill Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06164227782968108495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-31512788938675022762014-04-15T17:30:47.618-04:002014-04-15T17:30:47.618-04:00Regarding the violence of the American revolution,...Regarding the violence of the American revolution, there's a book titled In God We Don't Trust by David Bercot that offers an interesting take on the revolution. It's geared more for nonresistant Christians, so I suppose mileage may vary here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-81331862954868612202014-04-15T16:41:28.980-04:002014-04-15T16:41:28.980-04:00I agree with you Bill that property rights are key...I agree with you Bill that property rights are key. I'm researching the definition of what "property" meant/was defined as over history with the intent of writing something for EPJ.<br /><br />I was spurred on by my debate with Rick Miller over whether reputation is property or not, but similar debates have popped up over whether IP is property(an irony, because it has 'propertyNick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-83086881001854941842014-04-15T16:40:30.175-04:002014-04-15T16:40:30.175-04:00TrollTrollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-52150521481530713632014-04-15T16:38:25.567-04:002014-04-15T16:38:25.567-04:00(^ In response to above comment by Mr. Wenzel) I D...(^ In response to above comment by Mr. Wenzel) I Didn't mean to infer you necessarily Mr. Wenzel. My comment was meant in response to some of these other commenters (oh they'll just call you this...', 'They just say your that and object...', etc.). Admittedly, I don't know how to post comments as replies to others while under 'Anonymous' designation, so I let it Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-18037631804920233442014-04-15T16:22:14.590-04:002014-04-15T16:22:14.590-04:00Where did you get the idea I am "chanting&quo...Where did you get the idea I am "chanting" we can't win? I am saying the approach needs to be via marketing not a shootout. If you think you are going to out shoot the USG, let me know when you are going to start so I can have my popcorn ready.Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-90707858383051357042014-04-15T15:57:42.193-04:002014-04-15T15:57:42.193-04:00I didn't become a Libertarian to hear the same...I didn't become a Libertarian to hear the same 'We can't win' BS chanting I kept hearing as a Conservative. If X, Y, and Z, approaches don't work, then invent a '27th letter' strategy and pursue that. Debate the cons and cons of strategy all you want, but don't stop pursuing liberty, and don't be so darn swift to write it off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-47030244874281175902014-04-15T15:53:42.534-04:002014-04-15T15:53:42.534-04:00How do you know that? I said "almost never.&q...How do you know that? I said "almost never." You aren't going to takedown the US government with a gun battle, the American revolution was obviously different, since the reactionaries won. It is not at all clear what their views would be on attempting to shoot up the US government. But further, looking at it from a different perspective and as will be detailed in an upcoming post, Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88417944133857146912014-04-15T15:51:26.217-04:002014-04-15T15:51:26.217-04:00And, not confronting theft of your livelyhood lead...And, not confronting theft of your livelyhood leads to theft of your livelyhood. Or, leave it up to the courts where it's nothing more than the USG mmaking a treaty with Indians in the 1800s.<br /><br />From a libertarian view, why is it the ranchers are confronting and not the government confronting the sovereign?<br /><br />If a nonprovoked agression is not reacted to, especially when it&#Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com