tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post5053191456001354974..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Understanding Scarcity with a Little Help from Ludwig von MisesRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger142125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-80709336200517212852013-04-09T10:03:39.555-04:002013-04-09T10:03:39.555-04:00Dave,
I'm having a hard time understanding th...Dave,<br /><br />I'm having a hard time understanding this "IP Communist" thing.<br /><br />Kinsella's entire point is that, by assigning property rights in patterns of information, property rights in physical things are undercut. Communists of course advocate undercutting property rights in physical things, and they care far more about your money and your stuff than your Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18191261587404343144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-56633470202261193302013-04-04T15:59:30.897-04:002013-04-04T15:59:30.897-04:00You're just now fleshing out your argument wit...You're just now fleshing out your argument with all these blog posts. If you had done that before the debate, like you should have, it would've made for a much better debate.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05725130890197932327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-86064247165331787542013-04-04T15:30:30.141-04:002013-04-04T15:30:30.141-04:00How does being held to a contract about ones use o...How does being held to a contract about ones use of an idea which simply becomes knowledge, and being held to a contract about self ownership, like if I sold myself as a slave differ? Rothbard argued no man can be held to that contract and you're all pretty intently holding to his ideas. P Szarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09298180391605451618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-27748029640286280282013-04-04T15:24:44.177-04:002013-04-04T15:24:44.177-04:00I don't have the patience to read everyone her...I don't have the patience to read everyone here. But as far as whether or not the formula is scarce is moot. Regardless of the contract between parties 1 and 2, once the third person knows the formula, he cannot simply unknow it, it is his property now. He can do as he likes with it. This includes selling or widely spreading it. And as for party 2, once he knows it, contract or not it is P Szarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09298180391605451618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-949507323047730922013-04-03T22:39:29.452-04:002013-04-03T22:39:29.452-04:00@ Stephan Kinsella
I found Cwik's arguments w...@ Stephan Kinsella<br /><br />I found Cwik's arguments well thought out and interesting. I would like to see an actual response from you to his paper, or please point us to someone else that has written a response. Hopefully the response you point us to is better than this one:<br />http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=643Ed Ucationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375062362847706272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-631014482532231442013-04-03T20:45:31.098-04:002013-04-03T20:45:31.098-04:00Without weighing in on the overall IP debate, I di...Without weighing in on the overall IP debate, I did have a couple of thoughts on scarcity I wanted to suggest as it relates to intellectual property.<br /><br />1) Assume I have an original idea that is of the kind we might consider intellectual property. Unlike other physical goods that are undeniably scarce, I cannot consume intellectual property. I can use it again and again without ever Renaissance Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17017434694520561609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91825985997236960982013-04-03T19:40:06.301-04:002013-04-03T19:40:06.301-04:00It seems to me that ideas can absolutely be scarce...It seems to me that ideas can absolutely be scarce or non-scarce. The Drudge Formula example is crucial not only because it clearly demonstrates that it is scarce since people would be willing to pay for it, but also because its proliferation is limited at some number of sales.. At some unknown point, the formula would not work because so many people would be trying to use it, and Drudge would Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-78837898745494458052013-04-03T18:19:38.376-04:002013-04-03T18:19:38.376-04:00I'm going to get a T-shirt made that says: &qu...I'm going to get a T-shirt made that says: "What is my Drudge formula?"Lancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12518702015836192682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-73291658243662282812013-04-03T18:05:00.549-04:002013-04-03T18:05:00.549-04:00pete and repete
This is very helpful; could you p...pete and repete<br /><br />This is very helpful; could you please clarify a couple of points, as you are shedding light where I was previously bathed in darkness:<br /><br />1) Can you clarify the difference in libertarian theory between government-applied force and contractually-applied force? This is obviously an area that I do not at all understand.<br /><br />2) Your counter example is trulybionic mosquitohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12002548958078731031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55091776492390839652013-04-03T17:51:58.201-04:002013-04-03T17:51:58.201-04:00Unknown answered you earlier.
"This whole th...Unknown answered you earlier.<br /><br />"This whole thing started when Robert talked about "designed rights." He is correct. Property rights are axiomatic entities. They are defined by humans to allow commerce in the defined rights.<br /><br />If you eliminate IP, you will have the same problem that you have when you tax away all profits on tangible items. yYou'll remove Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-894243374252038392013-04-03T17:49:18.350-04:002013-04-03T17:49:18.350-04:00"Kinsella called Robert dangerous and sociali..."Kinsella called Robert dangerous and socialistic,"<br /><br />That's rich, since (whether he admits it or not) Kinsella is an IP Communist.Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-61096364684691674792013-04-03T17:48:15.988-04:002013-04-03T17:48:15.988-04:00Is it acceptable to use force to protect your pers...Is it acceptable to use force to protect your person?<br /><br />If so, is it also acceptable to protect your property?Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-59258303843933395742013-04-03T17:45:35.145-04:002013-04-03T17:45:35.145-04:00And now the anti-IP begins the gnashing of teeth, ...And now the anti-IP begins the gnashing of teeth, the tearing of clothes, and the slinging of accusations of logical fallacies in all directions, in the desperate hope that something, ANYTHING will stick...<br /><br />"Communism is the rejection of property rights. The IP debate is about whether ideas are property, not about whether property rights are to be respected."<br /><br />...Dave Narbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10773693145577366704noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-87098742280985777152013-04-03T17:00:05.423-04:002013-04-03T17:00:05.423-04:00Nick, you've definitely provided a series of c...Nick, you've definitely provided a series of coherent, logical responses in these discussions. Keep up the good work. Kinsella's "know your place, and I fart in your general direction" arguments are exactly, as you say, "telling."Pandemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315340208949970292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-72088280547235475352013-04-03T16:55:55.062-04:002013-04-03T16:55:55.062-04:00@Kinsella: Ah, the "I fart in his general di...@Kinsella: Ah, the "I fart in his general direction" argument.Pandemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315340208949970292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21999975423857032572013-04-03T16:50:10.990-04:002013-04-03T16:50:10.990-04:00So are you saying that you brought up this Mises q...So are you saying that you brought up this Mises quote in the debate?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05725130890197932327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-70502746175459850562013-04-03T16:31:17.214-04:002013-04-03T16:31:17.214-04:00You are seriously one of the largest pricks in the...You are seriously one of the largest pricks in the libertarian community I've ever witnessed.<br /><br />It's funny that simple references/links to a well known, well liked, & well respected scholar like Rothbard gets your goat. More than funny though, it's also telling.<br /><br />Get off your high horse and make an argument and stop bitching about others doing the same you Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-28670360407709922852013-04-03T16:28:22.982-04:002013-04-03T16:28:22.982-04:00You just weren't listening during the debate, ...You just weren't listening during the debate, the points were made. Don't worry, I am having the debate broken down into small segments so that what Kinsella said can be examined in detail.Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-24345604517584618402013-04-03T16:26:21.392-04:002013-04-03T16:26:21.392-04:00Nick,
Keep it up. Your arguments are sound, so mu...Nick,<br /><br />Keep it up. Your arguments are sound, so much so that Kinsella has chosen to attack them with his typical bluster.Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-65461213189644977902013-04-03T16:21:51.213-04:002013-04-03T16:21:51.213-04:00Nick, oh for God's sake. You people are not wo...Nick, oh for God's sake. You people are not worth responding to. Stop talking, stick in the background like in teh good old days, think, listen, learn, and ask a humble, tentative question every now and then. Don't dare to pontificate. This is horrible. Jesus. Know your place.Stephan Kinsellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986650653184633661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-33659017719675888212013-04-03T16:17:08.651-04:002013-04-03T16:17:08.651-04:00Cwik's argument is so shoddy and pathetic that...Cwik's argument is so shoddy and pathetic that it is almost as bad as Wenzel's, and not worth any more time than people have already spent demolishing it. Stephan Kinsellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07986650653184633661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-53035180006820861782013-04-03T16:10:25.164-04:002013-04-03T16:10:25.164-04:00From reading many of the anti-IP comments, it appe...From reading many of the anti-IP comments, it appears you all live in some theoretical world. I was hoping there would be more real world dialog. J<br /><br /> Jeez folks, if there are basic economic considerations in play such as supply, demand, price, value, etc., the good, service, or idea has some degree of scarcity associated. <br /><br />Can't both sides agree on this as a basic Guy Noirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06114291200200458208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-70218346973447125162013-04-03T15:59:49.727-04:002013-04-03T15:59:49.727-04:00While still incorrect, this post is much more cohe...While still incorrect, this post is much more coherent than anything you presented during the debate. You wouldn't have appeared so ill-prepared had you presented something like this post.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05725130890197932327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-8153406857271391152013-04-03T15:25:08.482-04:002013-04-03T15:25:08.482-04:00This whole thing started when Robert talked about ...This whole thing started when Robert talked about "designed rights." He is correct. Property rights are axiomatic entities. They are defined by humans to allow commerce in the defined rights.<br /><br />If you eliminate IP, you will have the same problem that you have when you tax away all profits on tangible items. yYou'll remove incentive to create intellectual content just Pandemichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315340208949970292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-87710660317559416522013-04-03T15:24:33.917-04:002013-04-03T15:24:33.917-04:00@ Andrew
If you added the word "Unique"...@ Andrew<br /><br />If you added the word "Unique" in front of "ideas" it makes it interesting.Nick Badalamentihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14015961786370759940noreply@blogger.com