tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post1168034602470661592..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Free Trade, No Trade, Crony Trade and Trump TradeRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-498141524643734472016-05-03T10:37:20.434-04:002016-05-03T10:37:20.434-04:00http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/theres-only-...http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/theres-only-one-honest-free-trade-position-on-ttip-kill-it/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost<br /><br />Here's some real knowledge of Wenzel's "free trade."Phil Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00388842760197647912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-7548880551677037892016-04-26T12:49:45.788-04:002016-04-26T12:49:45.788-04:00That's merely conditions I set for the example...That's merely conditions I set for the example. It's entirely judgment neutral. Many think that's the way things should be. You're making the judgement, not I. There are no property rights in Elbonia as I set the example. That a connected neighbor can pollute one's land or foul the commons is how it is. That's how (in part) he can provide cheap widgets to you in the USA. Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55222558029600376812016-04-26T04:02:10.385-04:002016-04-26T04:02:10.385-04:00"I don't give a SHIT about 'culture&#..."I don't give a SHIT about 'culture'. No one's. How about that?"<br /><br />Sure you do. Enough to yell at me and use foul language in disdaining my support of Western Civilization. Sounds like you want to destroy it. If you really didn't care, none of what I say would matter to you.<br /><br />"Their kids absorb the local culture."<br /><br />Laughable. Shimshonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158609487960587917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-45684032031103885602016-04-25T20:01:07.059-04:002016-04-25T20:01:07.059-04:00Why not just let China destroy US steel companies?...Why not just let China destroy US steel companies?<br /><br />http://www.cato.org/publications/free-trade-bulletin/global-steel-overcapacity-trade-remedy-cure-worse-disease<br /><br />You see the problem here is one of enforcement: govt's do not like being told they can't unfairly benefit their domestic industries, whether they originate these penalizing subsidies or adopt them as somercethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02667135280513357530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-15083721055070346402016-04-25T18:42:33.900-04:002016-04-25T18:42:33.900-04:00@Jimmy Joe Meeker,
─ I haven't argued any s...@Jimmy Joe Meeker,<br /><br />─ I haven't argued any side. Nor made a case for a moral imperative. ─<br /><br />Here: "Cronyism and corruption is how things work in Elbonia and it's officially communist nation. There's no competition for labor, people have little choice (by law), and they enjoy a huge upper hand. It's more or less the opposite of everything libertarian. &OldMexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111465436836633221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-1433584751564252942016-04-25T16:09:34.437-04:002016-04-25T16:09:34.437-04:00the West was in conflict with Islam and other Chri...the West was in conflict with Islam and other Christian kingdoms and other Christians within those countries. Reconquista? gates of Vienna? what of it? Culture? check the history of europe between the world wars and see were culture got them.Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-85896622966220003842016-04-25T15:55:10.165-04:002016-04-25T15:55:10.165-04:00Re: Shimshon,
─ Your arguments display total igno...Re: Shimshon,<br /><br />─ Your arguments display total ignorance of American history ─<br /><br />Oh, REALLY? Are you arguing from historicism? Come on. <br /><br /><br />─ 60 million immigrants to the US since 1965 is an invasion. ─<br /><br />Stop equivocating! I can argue that 120 million BABIES are an 'invasion' just as easily as you did. An invasion is an aggressive action. OldMexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111465436836633221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-68718601713859734892016-04-25T15:02:44.370-04:002016-04-25T15:02:44.370-04:00I haven't argued any side. Nor made a case for...I haven't argued any side. Nor made a case for a moral imperative. I found the apples example lacking so I've explained the attraction to Trump Trade and continued rejection of libertarianism wrt this issue in the USA as I see it. <br /><br />You get cheap widget under the trade deal and that benefits you at least in the short term but don't expect your neighbors who worked at the Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-78082902033353622272016-04-25T13:56:05.354-04:002016-04-25T13:56:05.354-04:00Your arguments display total ignorance of American...Your arguments display total ignorance of American history (yes, states can and did restrict who could reside in them), and history in general. 60 million immigrants to the US since 1965 is an invasion. The recent term "rapefugee" didn't arise from nothing. Europeans aren't protesting about nothing. The West ("Christendom") has been in conflict with Islam since its Shimshonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158609487960587917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-12187881638295285122016-04-25T13:04:37.555-04:002016-04-25T13:04:37.555-04:00I would have to ask you why would I have to mind t...I would have to ask you why would I have to mind the environmental rules in Elbonia so that I prefer to plunk down my hard-earned cash to SUBSIDIZE Chicago Widget rather than buy the cheaper widget from Federal?<br /><br />It's easy to think about 'fairness' when it is NOT your money. I am not willing to subsidize Chicago Widget nor do I care about what Federal does in Elbonia. That OldMexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111465436836633221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-66924283316982874212016-04-25T12:57:41.843-04:002016-04-25T12:57:41.843-04:00thats on immigration, not on free trade. Unless yo...thats on immigration, not on free trade. Unless you sign a contract promising to let the 'association' vet anyone coming into an area administered by the association, than theres no stopping you.<br />as for the Elbonians they probably can't belive their luck that these American want to set up a brand new sparkling factory there with all the dumb ass peasants that they have employed Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-83420480932972860212016-04-25T12:56:01.866-04:002016-04-25T12:56:01.866-04:00@Shimshon,
─Murray Rothbard did an about-face on ...@Shimshon,<br /><br />─Murray Rothbard did an about-face on open borders. I wish he were still alive today. ─<br /><br />It becomes necessary for you to clarify your own position on immigration considering that the position taken by Rothbard in that essay would automatically mean that someone from Alabama should not be allowed to move to Ohio, or someone from California should be stopped at the OldMexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111465436836633221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-75658071029983498252016-04-25T12:05:43.033-04:002016-04-25T12:05:43.033-04:00Murray Rothbard did an about-face on open borders....Murray Rothbard did an about-face on <a href="http://voxday.blogspot.co.il/2016/04/open-borders-is-anti-libertarian.html" rel="nofollow">open borders</a>. I wish he were still alive today. I would not be surprised at all were he to walk back his support of free trade as you envision it, Robert. Alas, he's not, so I can only speculate. But the same arguments apply, so it's fair to assume Shimshonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158609487960587917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-42899150087763105432016-04-25T11:56:41.452-04:002016-04-25T11:56:41.452-04:00phil you know perfectly well that when Bob talks o...phil you know perfectly well that when Bob talks of free trade he means between two parties who have contracted with each other, with no involvement of the state.Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-33123223754235907182016-04-25T10:57:07.488-04:002016-04-25T10:57:07.488-04:00Let's look at a more real life like example.
...Let's look at a more real life like example. <br /><br />A company called Chicago Widget makes a high quality widget for a low price in the USA. They compete for labor, respect the property of their neighbors, honor employment contracts, all the things one would expect in a libertarian world plus complying with a huge regulatory burden imposed by layers of government. Their competition, Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-16926361728066776762016-04-25T10:20:50.915-04:002016-04-25T10:20:50.915-04:00You've now clarified your position as favoring...You've now clarified your position as favoring, by degrees, crony-trade versus an environment where the interventions of government are evenly applied (that is to say, tariffed) to all participants in the domestic market. <br /><br />And Austrians wonder why they are accused of being proponents of big-business! Phil Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00388842760197647912noreply@blogger.com