tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post2518939611770785137..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Not Much Sympathy from Rand Paul for Bradley Manning or Edward Snowden Robert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-82112183492579522512013-08-21T13:44:26.317-04:002013-08-21T13:44:26.317-04:00When was the CATO event he said this? Is there aud...When was the CATO event he said this? Is there audio? Video? A secondary source? Not a Rand supporter, I just want to verify. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55149447378266537062013-08-21T02:34:47.089-04:002013-08-21T02:34:47.089-04:00CATO is directly funded by the Koch Brothers, just...CATO is directly funded by the Koch Brothers, just like the LP is to a lesser degree. The Koch Brothers also happen to be big funders of the Neocon-wing of the GOP. So, no, they didn't "sell out", they were always part of the same network.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-65950729951186140152013-08-21T02:09:32.132-04:002013-08-21T02:09:32.132-04:00CATO soldout to the GOP in the Mid to late 1990...CATO soldout to the GOP in the Mid to late 1990's & left the Libertarian Party & ever since has bin co-opted by the Neocon GOP <br />Establishment. I know this because I'm a 21 year member of the Libertarian Party & We Have left them behind.Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08770277599058946311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-5077026259273679852013-08-21T01:11:53.859-04:002013-08-21T01:11:53.859-04:00I was at the Cato event. DL's quotes are accur...I was at the Cato event. DL's quotes are accurate. Porter Burnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21476014276570083082013-08-21T00:04:31.575-04:002013-08-21T00:04:31.575-04:00Agreed. Several of the scholars including Roger P...Agreed. Several of the scholars including Roger Pilon, head of CATO's Constitutional section, believes the NSA program does not mean a seizure of someone's personal information. Roger Epstein concurs with this opinion. Scott Camutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-10091611839880819412013-08-21T00:02:41.942-04:002013-08-21T00:02:41.942-04:00I was there at the CATO University event. Rand Pa...I was there at the CATO University event. Rand Paul used the words I have no sympathy. Before answering he said that he hoped he would only get easy questions and after answering the question he stepped down without taking any others. Scott Camutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-57738677641014944382013-08-20T22:08:40.232-04:002013-08-20T22:08:40.232-04:00Is there any other source for this other than DL M...Is there any other source for this other than DL Mag? They have a page rank of zero, which means their either new or have never developed any web credibility. I haven't been able to find any other source for these quotes. I'm not saying they aren't true, but there is nothing to make me thing they're true yet either. Does anyone have a credible source?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-32023462704163007522013-08-20T21:56:09.426-04:002013-08-20T21:56:09.426-04:00You can tell the politics of a "libertarian&q...<b>You can tell the politics of a "libertarian" by the institutes he decides to affiliate himself with. The fact that he is associating more and more with CATO, and getting further and further away from 'Mises Institute', shows exactly what I mean.</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77328571872751073512013-08-20T17:31:23.558-04:002013-08-20T17:31:23.558-04:00"What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just ..."What Manning did was just willy-nilly, just released millions of pages of things and I think some people have said there is potentially some harm from that."<br />'Some people' are the ones in the Military/industrial/congressional/intelligence complex which would have rather the american people not know what was going on in their nasty little war on 'terror' that was soHeathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-73482125124684221882013-08-20T16:30:37.285-04:002013-08-20T16:30:37.285-04:00After throwing Bradley Manning and Ed Snowden unde...After throwing Bradley Manning and Ed Snowden under the bus what rand paul says about liberty is irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-82471644124158842702013-08-20T12:55:05.794-04:002013-08-20T12:55:05.794-04:00I, for one, am relieved that he said this. He has...I, for one, am relieved that he said this. He has clearly crossed the line here and revealed what he is about. All his previous little nudges towards the neocon worldview were, in the greater scheme of things, excusable by the hopeful as tactics to woo the establishment wing of the GOP. This is a fundamentally different animal. This is siding with the secretive surveillance state. This is Ed Ucationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375062362847706272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-13966712874931997952013-08-20T11:45:26.757-04:002013-08-20T11:45:26.757-04:00The government broke the law, too. Why doesn't...The government broke the law, too. Why doesn't anyone talk about that? Why isn't the NSA head facing jail time, for both the spying and the lying about it under oath? Why does Roger Clemens get prosecuted for allegedly lying to congress about his personal use of drugs, which harms nobody outside of MLB? Why is the illegal spying still happening?<br /><br />So, yes, let's enforce the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-32467542136524364842013-08-20T11:37:12.575-04:002013-08-20T11:37:12.575-04:00By his own admission, Rand Paul is not a libertari...By his own admission, Rand Paul is not a libertarian. That means he leans statist, so we should not be surprised by him taking the State's side. Wagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719718595125311688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-37261716167035799712013-08-20T11:27:01.093-04:002013-08-20T11:27:01.093-04:00Why do I get this inkling feeling that a "cer...Why do I get this inkling feeling that a "certain" Mediterranean government is the sole subject of the Snowden's documents. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-59529148528674700692013-08-20T11:23:30.556-04:002013-08-20T11:23:30.556-04:00It's going to be a win/win for the establishme...It's going to be a win/win for the establishment if Rand runs for president. If he wins, then all of his contradicting decision making as president against his father's principles will put his father at odds against his own son. This will put pressure on the father to say something. As of now, the father doesn't have to say anything. This along with everything Mr. Wenzel suggests Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21304796859652626782013-08-20T11:21:50.287-04:002013-08-20T11:21:50.287-04:00That headline is sensationalist garbage. In contex...That headline is sensationalist garbage. In context, the actual statement Rand made holds a lot more credibility. We all support the revelation of the atrocities that Manning released, but he didn't just release that stuff. He released a lot of completely unrelated information that was in no way relevant to the bad things he released. Should the good he did be taken into context? Absolutely. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-40437684987465843532013-08-20T11:05:18.409-04:002013-08-20T11:05:18.409-04:00Seriously at this point who that actually calls th...Seriously at this point who that actually calls themselves a libertarian can seriously defend Rand anymore? Yea he's done some good things but overall he's a damm statist. NY Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05131625126863049626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-35035473117792685102013-08-20T11:03:08.641-04:002013-08-20T11:03:08.641-04:00I sincerely hope that Rand does not even make it t...I sincerely hope that Rand does not even make it through the Republican primary. If he does, I hope he does not win the presidency. He is a weasel, and far more dangerous than an avowed statist because of the damage he would cause to the masses' perception of libertarianism.<br /><br />Millions of people came to support liberty because of Rand's father, but Rand was not one of them. Rand Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-65152200856464823002013-08-20T11:00:18.868-04:002013-08-20T11:00:18.868-04:00It's getting harder to even consider him a net...It's getting harder to even consider him a net positive (for liberty) anymore. This is so sad.<br /><br />The last vote I cast was for Ron Paul in the Republican Presidential primary. It may be the last one I ever cast - Rand is just not going to inspire me to show much support in 2016. He hasn't even officially started running yet, I can't imagine how much he will be selling out by Matthew M.http://libertypolicyjournal.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55371475582350665402013-08-20T10:59:54.651-04:002013-08-20T10:59:54.651-04:00Good point, it is not clear Rand used those exact ...Good point, it is not clear Rand used those exact words, though DL has them in quotes. At the same time, it does correctly reflect the tone of what Rand said. I have adjusted the post headline. Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-45237091575682449632013-08-20T10:55:57.857-04:002013-08-20T10:55:57.857-04:00Here's what bothers me about this post. Notice...Here's what bothers me about this post. Notice it makes a blanket statement looping in Bradley Manning with Snowden and implying that Rand Paul sees them in the exact same light. To Wenzel's credit, he does provide a quote later on, but how many people read content past the first few sentences these days? I run a website and I have statistics on it---very, very few.<br /><br />"...inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-48126184757835759952013-08-20T10:55:46.813-04:002013-08-20T10:55:46.813-04:00Ron Paul needs to stop saying that he and Rand agr...Ron Paul needs to stop saying that he and Rand agree on most things.<br /><br />Rand is going to give Austrian Economics a bad name.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-46004507344863923272013-08-20T10:05:35.804-04:002013-08-20T10:05:35.804-04:00In a nutshell here is the difference between Ron a...In a nutshell here is the difference between Ron and Rand. Ron's goal was to move the Republican Party towards libertarianism. Rand's goal is to move pseudo libertarianism into the Republican Party. The strategy to move pseudo libertarianism into the Republican Party mainstream has been to compromise most of its principles to the point where it is hardly distinguishable. Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172083437365597731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-92134405005288535612013-08-20T09:48:37.710-04:002013-08-20T09:48:37.710-04:00Good Lord... if this doesn't prove it, I don&#...Good Lord... if this doesn't prove it, I don't know what will. Rand wants Power and he is steadily proving that he will say anything to get it. Disgusting and very sad to see one of Ron's sons choose Power over Principle. He's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-62719488734006780112013-08-20T09:43:15.474-04:002013-08-20T09:43:15.474-04:00At this point Rand has alienated the base who elec...At this point Rand has alienated the base who elected him so much that I wonder not if he will approach the presidency, but if he will even retain his Senate seat next election. As far as Manning and Snowden, What would you expect from a guy like Rand, who admits this:<br />Rand Paul on Israeli groups: "I visit with them daily":<br />http://libertyfight.com/2013/Martin Hillhttp://libertyfight.comnoreply@blogger.com