tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post2735936817555384011..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: On Net NeutralityRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-13787211208847518412014-01-25T16:42:33.694-05:002014-01-25T16:42:33.694-05:00This is kind of the most technically challenged po...This is kind of the most technically challenged post I've ever read. You seem to confuse HOSTING with common carriers. What if Verizon, Comcast and Atnt would block all libertarian sites? Oh, wait, they do not block they just charge a tonload on both ends.<br />Fox News wins.<br />Nein Danke.<br />Michaelhttp://michi.example.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88471115978888326202014-01-20T13:59:12.994-05:002014-01-20T13:59:12.994-05:00Net neutrality is an issue that hasn't been sq...Net neutrality is an issue that hasn't been squashed yet. It's more important than ever to learn the issues, so here's a great short mockumentary if anyone wants a refresher: www.theinternetmustgo.com/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18026518172878508093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-34744516644680068342014-01-18T16:57:09.705-05:002014-01-18T16:57:09.705-05:00Correct. Absolutely zero government regulations t...Correct. Absolutely zero government regulations towards ISPs, but all Comcast et al. who only have control over their copper and fiber due to crony deals that guaranteed them profits at gunpoint should be divested of all said property, at gunpoint, as the government's last dealing into the field.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-25249002508710640552014-01-18T07:57:00.528-05:002014-01-18T07:57:00.528-05:00Net Neutrality is just like Obamacare. Instead of ...Net Neutrality is just like Obamacare. Instead of giving people choices as to how much health insurance coverage is right for them, Obamacare mandates that insurance companies only sell premium packages. Therefore, everyone must pay premium prices. As far as the whole discrimination/censorship thing goes, do you think it's ok that you are forced to support the spying on everyone by the NSA Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14539835815067680933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-62866556177366052472014-01-17T18:54:45.889-05:002014-01-17T18:54:45.889-05:00Net neutrality is a patch on the underlying crony ...Net neutrality is a patch on the underlying crony capitalist system. <br /><br />Take out net neutrality without fixing the underlying crony capitalism and we get an even stronger cartel of crony capitalists. This site, LRC, and a bunch others would have to start running on a land line BBS system or FIDONET or something else like chained private wi-fi. Basically we could easily be banished from Jimmy Joe Meekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09559104650594440766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-35222899321720411482014-01-17T17:07:23.170-05:002014-01-17T17:07:23.170-05:00Agreed. But that wasn't my point. My point was...Agreed. But that wasn't my point. My point was simply the idea that a consumer does not have any real control over how his internet traffic is handled. <br /><br />The idea that you could just "not use an ISP" that you don't like is irrelevant; your communications hit a ton of networks whether you like them or not.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-69714971571059271952014-01-17T16:47:44.862-05:002014-01-17T16:47:44.862-05:00The main issue here is the unholy relationship bet...The main issue here is the unholy relationship between ISP's and the FCC (and CRTC in Canada). I wrote about this here: http://terryneudorf.com/true-net-neutrality/Terryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05364565652724012033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-15026262165332085582014-01-17T15:05:55.298-05:002014-01-17T15:05:55.298-05:00then how does society take its first steps towards...then how does society take its first steps towards liberty then if there is is handwringing over the unintended consequence? and those corporation who have relied on their friends in government will have to figure out what the customer wants or be doomed. <br />Imho, this bandwidth argument is similar to the lock in the price of gas in the time of an emergency It creates its own disincentives to Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-81203638563597880642014-01-17T14:53:42.740-05:002014-01-17T14:53:42.740-05:00ISPs are neck deep in government, true.
But if net...ISPs are neck deep in government, true.<br />But if network neutrality was really against government clients like ISPs and in favor of the simple civilian, do you people HONESTLY think the FCC would want it? When has the FCC *ever* been about liberty, or righting a wrong?<br /><br />Net neutrality is simply another tool for the government to have more control, otherwise they wouldn't have Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-34118059274843850442014-01-17T14:17:50.363-05:002014-01-17T14:17:50.363-05:00Note: See my update in the original post.Note: See my update in the original post.Robert Wenzelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-57362732808070581222014-01-17T14:14:56.905-05:002014-01-17T14:14:56.905-05:00First off collusion is already illegal. Not that t...First off collusion is already illegal. Not that that means it doesn't happen, but, if what you say is true, then what would change by having the government enforce net neutrality, if it already can't prevent collusion? Wouldn't the carriers simply continue to collude and agree to raise rates enough to offset what ever economic impact net neutrality had on their earnings? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-28013473072849366162014-01-17T14:06:16.152-05:002014-01-17T14:06:16.152-05:00Do you have any idea how many transfers and hand o...Do you have any idea how many transfers and hand offs occur in the mobile phone sector? Yet, mobile prices for basic service keep falling. Transfers have nothing to do with keeping prices high.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-74445826225255467052014-01-17T14:03:40.193-05:002014-01-17T14:03:40.193-05:00It seems to me that when Wenzel says "Governm...It seems to me that when Wenzel says "Government should keep its hands off ISPs and allow them to operate any way they want," he is pretty much ruling out government protection of selected ISPs.Jack Weilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-29099017418150678072014-01-17T14:03:09.227-05:002014-01-17T14:03:09.227-05:00You point is correct in a free society but we are ...You point is correct in a free society but we are not in a free society. The internet providers are the result of government intervention in the first place. They are some the biggest crony capitalist corporations in the world and have lobbied for and gotten unfair advantages in law. The result of this will be a crippling of freedom and not more. As a libertarian I would like to support this but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-24977279921042317072014-01-17T13:56:57.109-05:002014-01-17T13:56:57.109-05:00"Well yeah, but what web site is going to use..."Well yeah, but what web site is going to use the service of an ISP that blocks content that user wants?"<br /><br />As a follow up - this statement is fairly short sighted. There are lots of intermediaries between a user and the website - not only the ISP for each end, which can be different, but there is likely a transfer between a couple of the major backbone providers of the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-63096689569877917282014-01-17T13:52:59.524-05:002014-01-17T13:52:59.524-05:00"Well yeah, but what web site is going to use..."Well yeah, but what web site is going to use the service of an ISP that blocks content that user wants?"<br /><br />The problem here is that unless you want dialup, you don't have any choice. ISPs with any speed are all major telcos, not counting Google fiber, which is not available in 99% of the country.<br /><br />It is extremely important to mention, every time this comes up, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-44312257968046598632014-01-17T13:38:18.138-05:002014-01-17T13:38:18.138-05:00As we all know cartels don't work without gove...As we all know cartels don't work without government keeping the participants all in line because they start undercutting each other. <br />so you are seriously suggesting that bandwidth providers be one man bands (you know the better to compete, apparently) how well would that work.? let the market figure it out using the price mechanisism.Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51887533088189774082014-01-17T13:10:40.356-05:002014-01-17T13:10:40.356-05:00What markets? The bandwidth providers are a fucki...What markets? The bandwidth providers are a fucking cartel. <br /><br />Free markets only work when there's enough participants to preclude collusion. Break them up so there's tens of thousands of them, then we might get somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com