tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post2971756543335211890..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: A Quiz for Anti-IPersRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger127125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-49529629299446182982013-04-10T12:49:30.625-04:002013-04-10T12:49:30.625-04:00@Franklin Tawle
An income stream.
@Scott
Independ...@Franklin Tawle<br />An income stream.<br /><br />@Scott<br />Independent discovery is protected. Anything less (e.g. where B and C collude, or B is careless about adhering to the contract with A) is handling stolen property. PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-56874470998671317722013-04-10T02:22:20.672-04:002013-04-10T02:22:20.672-04:00Because by paying $10,000 for the idea scribbled o...Because by paying $10,000 for the idea scribbled on a piece of paper, someone can get access to the idea through voluntary exchange rather than having to torture you and violate your person to get it out of you, or by hypnotising you to get it out, or whatever. Also, by paying $10,000 for the idea on the piece of paper, you can avoid expending the energy and time to come up with the same idea on chrislbeckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11575910065483390695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-50416443509139017612013-04-09T20:34:20.892-04:002013-04-09T20:34:20.892-04:00@ Oscar Milo
You can store a BitCoin in your mind...@ Oscar Milo<br /><br />You can store a BitCoin in your mind. It's called a brain wallet. Look it up.Ed Ucationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15375062362847706272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-14343847714615926582013-04-09T19:13:53.759-04:002013-04-09T19:13:53.759-04:00Pete Petepete:
"Nobody has an a priori right...Pete Petepete:<br /><br />"Nobody has an a priori right to other people's money."<br /><br />True enough, yet I did not claim that Robert had a right to anyone's money. I simply make the claim that if IP is not protected, then what incentive does Robert have to research, expend resources, time, and labor to develop the "Drudge Formula?" Brother Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375455364166026374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-12231021026793732732013-04-08T19:35:48.803-04:002013-04-08T19:35:48.803-04:00Jonathan:
"...why would anyone pay Robert an...Jonathan:<br /><br />"...why would anyone pay Robert anything for his research if IP laws did not protect his right to his duly earned property? Robert spent time, labor, and knowledge acquiring his property. Why should he not be compensated for transferring his valuable property to another?"<br /><br />That's not a valid argument justifying IP. <br /><br />Nobody has an a priori Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591978354639760240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-58527218404652152262013-04-07T17:23:00.783-04:002013-04-07T17:23:00.783-04:00Bitcoins are tangible in a sense. They are encrypt...Bitcoins are tangible in a sense. They are encrypted and limited. I can't own a Bitcoin by having it in my mind, I have to get it through different means, like trade. If I give someone a Bitcoin, I no longer have that Bitcoin. If I express an idea to someone, I still have that idea. If I fail to utilize that idea better than someone else, that is my fault.Everyone can hold the same idea in Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11843846289882547392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51415163050737561972013-04-07T16:40:32.981-04:002013-04-07T16:40:32.981-04:00Either B trusts that you have a great idea that he...Either B trusts that you have a great idea that he has not entered into his own mind yet, or he is worried that you will sue him for using the idea that you claimed ownership of through force. Either way, once you express that idea to others, it becomes entrenched in their minds, and yet does not take the idea away from you. Whoever can utilize the idea best will likely profit more. I think they Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11843846289882547392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-27333088824319107232013-04-06T22:03:33.302-04:002013-04-06T22:03:33.302-04:00alan.szepieniec, that was a question for Wenzel.
...alan.szepieniec, that was a question for Wenzel.<br /><br />bionic mosquito, paper is a product of human brain too, and we don't know how much physical effort it took Robert to come up with the formula.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Predrag Rajsichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301941050662222192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51883260427310002522013-04-06T22:00:07.172-04:002013-04-06T22:00:07.172-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Predrag Rajsichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00301941050662222192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-37268300874171042782013-04-06T20:12:22.331-04:002013-04-06T20:12:22.331-04:00Why do you refer to him as "Norman Stephan Ki...Why do you refer to him as "Norman Stephan Kinsella"? I get that's his full name, but everyone calls him Stephan Kinsella. Including the Norman makes it sound like you are mocking him.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08111410468746846658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-81327329655491147302013-04-06T19:29:28.671-04:002013-04-06T19:29:28.671-04:00Here's a tangential question...
If I possess ...Here's a tangential question...<br /><br />If I possess a special skill that you don't have (the ability to mow lawns) and you pay me $30 to mow your lawn, I am mixing my knowledge, skill, and labor, with your lawn. Am I now a partial owner of your freshly-cut lawn?Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00873365580940839305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-26062367921692819102013-04-06T19:21:35.947-04:002013-04-06T19:21:35.947-04:00"What the pro-IP folks need to explain is wha..."What the pro-IP folks need to explain is what is LOST by Mr Inventor when Mr Imitator copies his idea. What is LOST by Mr Inventor that belongs to Mr Inventor? "<br /><br />To restate/clarify your point per my understanding...What is lost by Mr. Inventor is: potential income. Does Mr. Inventor have a *right* to *potential* income? No.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00873365580940839305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-6023048125202250252013-04-06T18:47:37.919-04:002013-04-06T18:47:37.919-04:00Still waiting for an answer to the question: What...Still waiting for an answer to the question: What is lost to the owner of Intellectual Property when it is "stolen"? What does the owner not have that he used to have?Franklin Tawkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06443005720522122492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77024311253756010142013-04-06T18:30:27.307-04:002013-04-06T18:30:27.307-04:00Question for Franklin Tawke. What is the one thing...Question for Franklin Tawke. What is the one thing that Obama, Biden, Bush, Cheney, and all the other rulers of the past century avoid? Let me suggest they avoid being restricted by Constitution. Every move the illegitimate State makes is to avoid being restricted by the rule of law. They do not want to be restricted by Constitution, and the Libertarians play right into their hands as Brother Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375455364166026374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-29130235104428013062013-04-06T17:18:43.824-04:002013-04-06T17:18:43.824-04:00What I would like to know from Pete Petepete's...What I would like to know from Pete Petepete's perspective is why would anyone pay Robert anything for his research if IP laws did not protect his right to his duly earned property? Robert spent time, labor, and knowledge acquiring his property. Why should he not be compensated for transferring his valuable property to another?Brother Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375455364166026374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-36782162904156934672013-04-06T17:04:56.292-04:002013-04-06T17:04:56.292-04:00Mises, Locke, and others correctly defined the leg...Mises, Locke, and others correctly defined the legitimate state. The purpose of the state is to protect property, liberty, and peace. The fact of the matter is that the legitimate state was overthrown by lawless rulers 100 years ago. The state we endure today is the definition of the illegitimate State. A legitimate State does not kill, steal, or oppress ... only the illegitimate State claims Brother Jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16375455364166026374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-40392054344186882652013-04-06T15:51:09.937-04:002013-04-06T15:51:09.937-04:00It would show the net is scarce.
If Robinson cons...It would show the net is scarce.<br /><br />If Robinson constantly fought Friday to stop him from using the net idea, it would not show the idea is scarce, because they both have the idea. It would only show that Robinson is an aggressor and justifies his aggression over the false notion that the idea is scarce.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591978354639760240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-53948336686405328972013-04-06T15:47:32.606-04:002013-04-06T15:47:32.606-04:00The item isn't the idea. The items are the bo...The item isn't the idea. The items are the bodies and properties. <br /><br />What's being sold are promises not to use one's body and property in a particular way. But if those promises aren't contracted for, there is no obligation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591978354639760240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-10461738325856931352013-04-06T15:46:14.129-04:002013-04-06T15:46:14.129-04:00Jonathan:
"Without the protection of IP laws...Jonathan:<br /><br />"Without the protection of IP laws, or the legitimate state, Robert is screwed."<br /><br />With IP laws, Robert's competitors are screwed.<br /><br />"No one will pay him for his forumla and unless Robert is wealthy enough already to mass produce the product of his formula faster, and better, than his neighbor, then his wealthy neighbor, who did not labor Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591978354639760240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-40269875124725107532013-04-06T15:01:15.090-04:002013-04-06T15:01:15.090-04:00"Sharing" is an excellent answer (by MDN..."Sharing" is an excellent answer (by MDN above) to Mr Wenzel's question, but Mr Wenzel turns snide, as if he failed to get the point.<br /><br />The buyer is buying a service from the inventor. The question of Scarcity is irrelevant. An idea may be very well known, but if I don't know it, I may purchase from another the service of sharing that idea with me. <br /><br />It is Franklin Tawkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06443005720522122492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-16876955187384463702013-04-06T14:42:15.566-04:002013-04-06T14:42:15.566-04:00"Essentially, the Libertarian argument is, in..."Essentially, the Libertarian argument is, individualism, "let the the strongest survive and thrive and to hell with everyone else.""<br /><br />That is false. Libertarianism says you may not survive by sacrificing the liberty or property of others.<br /><br />If your only method of debate is to mis-represent your opponent's position, you have already lost the debate.<br /Franklin Tawkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06443005720522122492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-63845704262635962232013-04-06T14:33:32.631-04:002013-04-06T14:33:32.631-04:00What Mises says is irrelevant. A state - by its n...What Mises says is irrelevant. A state - by its nature - violates the right to liberty and property. IP law is a rhetorical game which calls a violation of liberty and property a protection of property. It is based on the notion that a person claiming to be the first to have an idea gains a right to attack others who may act on that idea. Franklin Tawkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06443005720522122492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-24575427272572716242013-04-06T14:14:09.256-04:002013-04-06T14:14:09.256-04:00I don't disagree fundamentally with restrictiv...I don't disagree fundamentally with restrictive clauses in voluntarily entered agreements. My point is that there is a fundamental difference between cars and ideas. Cars can be completely dis-owned without restrictive clauses in the contract. Ideas, however, cannot be un-learned, and therefore they require the restrictions in the contract to be properly dis-owned.<br />alan.szepieniechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11908149633893799139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88635250098866828582013-04-06T14:11:14.871-04:002013-04-06T14:11:14.871-04:00In the scenario you cite of a restrictive covenant...In the scenario you cite of a restrictive covenant on sub-plots, all sub-plots have the same restrictive covenants applied to them. The original developer no longer has any control over those sub-plots. Only neighboring sub-plot owners can file suit against the neighbor who violates the restrictive covenant. So the original owner of the plot of land no longer owns the land after all sub-plotsScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00873365580940839305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-48804333190434890302013-04-06T14:00:30.126-04:002013-04-06T14:00:30.126-04:00@dff,
I do not see the relevance of discussions ab...@dff,<br />I do not see the relevance of discussions about scarcity or economic goods. Wenzel's definition of IP relies on a clause restricting use in a contract. He never said 2+2 or gravity is IP. If the Coca Cola company offered you and you alone the formula for Coke for $1 would you buy it?PHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10505462828969815943noreply@blogger.com