tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post4977767014855081489..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: How Gene Callahan Justifies TaxationRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-27120586377436452672014-06-24T10:00:17.962-04:002014-06-24T10:00:17.962-04:00More anti-nature claptrap. "Civic order"...More anti-nature claptrap. "Civic order" is non-existent in the natural world of other, non-human, animals, but ownership of both physical property and territory is universal. When two creatures of other species contend for a particular piece of property, the original "owner" wins more often than not, all without any "civil order" stepping in.Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603153065912441315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-2564680773772054552014-06-24T07:27:59.299-04:002014-06-24T07:27:59.299-04:00Well said, Sir! Well said, Sir! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-28170434873611470452014-06-24T03:06:24.017-04:002014-06-24T03:06:24.017-04:00I wonder to what extent he would assert that non-p...I wonder to what extent he would assert that non-payment of taxes to "civil order" should be "theft?" Would he say the same rule applies in North Korea, for example? At what point does it change from "theft" to a legitimate (in his eyes) response? Or are there no cases of this transition?Shimshonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04158609487960587917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-50772123794605022232014-06-23T17:12:14.119-04:002014-06-23T17:12:14.119-04:00Rousseau is right, Callahan is wrong.
While Rouss...Rousseau is right, Callahan is wrong.<br /><br />While Rousseau is correct (If he indeed said it) that outside of civil society, property rights do not exist, and all we could have is mere possession, it does not follow (and is either a purposeful sleight of hand or weak thinking) that civil society must therefore be the provider of said property rights.<br /><br />Civil society PROTECTS propertyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12128461992644570675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-60343770413363754612014-06-23T17:05:13.520-04:002014-06-23T17:05:13.520-04:00property rights are a gift to all of us from the c...<i>property rights are a gift to all of us from the civil order that we found pre-existing us upon our birth</i><br /><br />Fine. Via AnCap and the NAP, we want to EXPAND the scope of the gift. There would be a vast number of additional activities you would be able to engage in without the rest of us pillaging your land and/or dragging you off to a cage. <br /><br />You're welcome.Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-90554993759261233562014-06-23T16:50:38.080-04:002014-06-23T16:50:38.080-04:00outside of civil society, property rights do not e...<i>outside of civil society, property rights do not exist, and all we could have is mere possession: we have a good in the same way an animal has its kill, until someone stronger comes along and takes it from us</i><br /><br />And what is so wrong with STRENGTHENING civil society by STRENGTHENING the protections of private property via the NAP (which,of course, can only be accomplish through Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-44353989882541822862014-06-23T15:08:32.927-04:002014-06-23T15:08:32.927-04:00"Well, property rights are a gift to all of u..."Well, property rights are a gift to all of us" If they are a gift why do I have to pay taxes then? If I pay taxes for the "gift" of property rights, then I am not getting a gift, I am paying for a good or service. And if I must be involved with a good/service provider why do I have to necessarily contract with a monopoly provider, the beneficiary of the taxes I pay? stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04254728148882930531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77289001935914586942014-06-23T14:03:27.948-04:002014-06-23T14:03:27.948-04:00I would agree that we are lucky to have been born ...I would agree that we are lucky to have been born into a society that maintains a system of private property and protections for personal integrity as much as it does. But Callahan is fudging together two scenarios: <br /><br />A. An express contract regarding possession and ownership of real estate; and <br /><br />B. An ALLEGED IMPLIED agreement to pay taxes as defined by the winner of Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-10599988582291022372014-06-23T13:51:50.135-04:002014-06-23T13:51:50.135-04:00On a related topic, It never seemed to dawn on the...On a related topic, It never seemed to dawn on the The Great Philosopher Callahan that under AnCap, there might be non-violent sanctions to induce cooperation such as refusals to deal or ostracisation. <br /><br />http://consultingbyrpm.com/blog/2014/05/libertarian-battles.html#comment-488156Bob Roddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17263804608074597937noreply@blogger.com