tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post5284394439566548518..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Indoctrination Nation: Students Taking Oath To Constitution In Order To Graduate?Robert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-44417537612603826582013-01-30T23:23:15.520-05:002013-01-30T23:23:15.520-05:00What is it that you are pretending needs to be cle...What is it that you are pretending needs to be cleared up for you Scott?<br /><br />That the American colonists who declared independence from Britain and later hammered out the Constitution a decade or so later are, in fact, the same group of people? And yes, the two documents are a continuum of nation building in America.<br /><br />Anything else you need clearing up? Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-9880765465054834852013-01-30T23:20:26.925-05:002013-01-30T23:20:26.925-05:00You need me to clarify what I mean when I say the ...You need me to clarify what I mean when I say the colonies freed themselves from life under a monarchy? I mean, I understand that you want to split hairs about documents, as if the Declaration and the Constitution are somehow galaxies apart and have no more commonality of purpose and history... than say, the Upanishads and the French Revolution.<br /><br />Now, exactly what is it you need Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-85992906808198487132013-01-29T19:52:43.469-05:002013-01-29T19:52:43.469-05:00Well why don't you clarify yourself, then? Be...Well why don't you clarify yourself, then? Because as I understood it, the colonists declared their independence in 1776, while the Constitution wasn't ratified until 1787, I believe... And that after a few good years of organization under another document known as the Articles of Confederation which - now, I learned this from my publik skool edukation, so bare wif me - I understand &Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-74214931643767188282013-01-28T23:17:20.355-05:002013-01-28T23:17:20.355-05:00Yes Scott, you sure must have a different book. E...Yes Scott, you sure must have a different book. Either that, or you haven't read the one you have, if it is a valid one. It's amazing that you don't understand what I meant.Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-17441405870308391192013-01-28T23:16:23.954-05:002013-01-28T23:16:23.954-05:00No, it sure doesn't make sense Mic. That'...No, it sure doesn't make sense Mic. That's why I'm not in favor of replacing what is an improvement over monarchy and autocracy, with an even more autocratic and dictatorial system. The Constitution needs to be honored and improved as necessary. Not trashed for a return to imperial edicts.<br /><br />My response to Anon 9:17? Simple.<br /><br />We're not talking about just Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-34098157008990788442013-01-28T10:41:34.758-05:002013-01-28T10:41:34.758-05:00What did the Constitution have to do with freeing ...What did the Constitution have to do with freeing the people in American colonies from living under a monarchy? You must have a different history book than I, Jonny. And, when did I say ANYTHING about minorities?Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91881848274960333622013-01-28T08:50:31.722-05:002013-01-28T08:50:31.722-05:00We replaced a permanent king with a temporary king...We replaced a permanent king with a temporary king 200 years ago. Is that the end of our evolution? We can't do any better than a temporary king and 535 gas bags? You acknowledge the fallibility of human systems. Does it make sense to create huge power centers and give them control over every aspect of our lives? And lastly, what is your response to Anon 9:17, Jonny? Micnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21887643792507808252013-01-27T20:15:48.977-05:002013-01-27T20:15:48.977-05:00A great deal of what the government does today is ...A great deal of what the government does today is unconstitutional - Social Security, EPA, department of education, Medicare, Medicaid. If the government forces students to take this pledge then the students would either have to join a rebellion against the federal government, or ignore their pledge. Thus, this pledge forces the students to either become revolutionaries or liars.Jeffrey Knollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00881695532195110086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-36311999904369227142013-01-27T18:18:26.745-05:002013-01-27T18:18:26.745-05:00No thanks Mic. I'll stick to legitimate histo...No thanks Mic. I'll stick to legitimate history. And a rational understanding that no human system can ever be faultless or free of reproach. I see no need to have another "revolution" for the same group of people that already launched one. <br /><br />Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-32324458602644420762013-01-27T18:15:58.267-05:002013-01-27T18:15:58.267-05:00Well Scott, if you think the Constitution was a st...Well Scott, if you think the Constitution was a step backward from life under the monarchy and the church, then so be it. What the Constititution represents is one of the first tentative steps toward recognition of individual rights. Not perfect. But capable of being perfected. It escapes me that you would fault the founders for wanting to do the same thing that every other British colony in Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-81761019230853476922013-01-27T16:31:08.794-05:002013-01-27T16:31:08.794-05:00Anon 11:26, if you read anon 8:08's post, the ...Anon 11:26, if you read anon 8:08's post, the oath is the same one the United States Uniformed Services take. To me, it sounds like a back door way of getting these kids to sign up for a draft. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-43729499023901337892013-01-27T12:34:43.556-05:002013-01-27T12:34:43.556-05:00Please let us know which non-profit this was, so w...Please let us know which non-profit this was, so we don't inadvertently support it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15072918632928337362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91714796533576789702013-01-27T10:17:08.765-05:002013-01-27T10:17:08.765-05:00Did I mention any other constitutions, Jonny? Did...Did I mention any other constitutions, Jonny? Did I say anything about the founders, Jonny? Are you erecting strawmen, Jonny? <br /><br />This nonsense about the Constitution having been "divinely inspired" is propaganda meant to stifle any objection to the legitimacy of much of what the US government does, if not the legitimacy of the US government itself. It's on par with Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-48045391305024929612013-01-27T09:34:35.025-05:002013-01-27T09:34:35.025-05:00Here is some history of the constitution that you ...Here is some history of the constitution that you were not taught in school:<br /><br />http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north1229.html<br /><br />http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north445.htmlMicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-31694116177424578502013-01-27T09:23:30.649-05:002013-01-27T09:23:30.649-05:00The constitution either allows for the government ...The constitution either allows for the government that we have or it failed to prevent it. Either way it doesn't deserve to exist. It is an example of "Never let a crisis go to waste." The crisis was Shay's Rebellion, which was a revolt against taxes to pay off Massachusetts' portion of the war debt. The first act of congress was to quadruple taxes to pay off that debt. It Micnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-90584323096813355632013-01-27T09:17:35.173-05:002013-01-27T09:17:35.173-05:00Assuming you are in earnest, I would hate to see t...Assuming you are in earnest, I would hate to see the remaining 999/1000 of what you think "needs to be done." <br /><br />BTW, wouldn't it be blatantly <i>unconstitutional</i> for the president to simply order the detention and deportation of those who hold (or who are alleged to hold) objectionable ideologies? So much for your oath to that "sacred" document . . . <br Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88780813887511087062013-01-27T05:23:18.807-05:002013-01-27T05:23:18.807-05:00While they chant such an oath they could include t...While they chant such an oath they could include the early American Nazi salute (the Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior -see the book "Pledge of Allegiance & Swastika Secrets" by Ian Tinny and the historian Dr. Rex Curry).Rex Curry archives expose Edward Bellamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377403008106048215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-7950117673558980262013-01-27T03:38:08.862-05:002013-01-27T03:38:08.862-05:00So what's your point Scott? That our Constitu...So what's your point Scott? That our Constitution somehow has less legitimacy than the Constitution of any other country, because the founders weren't morally perfect enough for your tastes?Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-33643910958701572772013-01-27T03:36:45.307-05:002013-01-27T03:36:45.307-05:00You people who object to this are crazy. Let me t...You people who object to this are crazy. Let me tell you, unless something is done, and done quickly to reverse the anti-Americanism being inculcated in our schools and universities today, this nation doesn't have a prayer. Why don't you object to the teaching of division and hate and chaos?<br /><br />And this gesture isn't even 1/1000th of what needs to be done. I'm just Jonnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10220842295783150409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55484814829332526682013-01-27T00:22:15.170-05:002013-01-27T00:22:15.170-05:00Sacred? Do you know what that word means?
Do you...Sacred? Do you know what that word means?<br /><br />Do you know the history of the making of the Constitution, or is this just some blather you picked up from Glenn Beck?Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-28979830136675577892013-01-26T23:26:29.254-05:002013-01-26T23:26:29.254-05:00I'm sorry. Is it wrong to swear an oath to de...I'm sorry. Is it wrong to swear an oath to defend the most sacred document the world has ever experienced, even if you are young? Please inform me on how this is a bad thing . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-66055874978264862002013-01-26T22:57:10.061-05:002013-01-26T22:57:10.061-05:00That will make for a whole generation of oath brea...That will make for a whole generation of oath breakers.<br /><br />Just like all currently and formerly enlisted members of the US military are: all of them are collaborators of the main enemy of the Constitution, the federal government.averrosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-62927325911798948212013-01-26T22:42:35.338-05:002013-01-26T22:42:35.338-05:00I once worked for a non profit organization; and w...I once worked for a non profit organization; and when the new management team came, the new Director called a meeting and asked us all to sign loyalty oaths to him personally; I did; but I left within 90 days, as I have only one loyalty, and that is to Christ the Lord. theyenguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08515095308836729043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-69549643102144981192013-01-26T20:08:20.450-05:002013-01-26T20:08:20.450-05:00This oath is the United States Uniformed Services ...This oath is the United States Uniformed Services Oath of Office for enlisted members of the military (As a former soldier, I recognized it immediately). High school students taking a military oath to receive their diplomas?. If this is indeed true, it is deeply disturbing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-80340747645102140892013-01-26T16:06:17.007-05:002013-01-26T16:06:17.007-05:00I live in Arizona. I 100% guarantee this will nev...I live in Arizona. I 100% guarantee this will never pass. Individual legislators come up with hair-brained bills every day across this country. This one is more loony than most.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com