tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post5318907700583722620..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: David Boaz Elevator TalkRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-9997486044176819382012-04-25T23:03:38.219-04:002012-04-25T23:03:38.219-04:00I really hate to be the one to say this, but: Cato...I really hate to be the one to say this, but: Cato needs to be disestablished. I don't care how much good stuff they churn out (they do, I admit), because on net, they have sold out, they have compromised, they have rejected their own principles. I will still occasionally hit the site, and give credit where it is due, but Cato as an organization, is a complete crock. But I will always cherishAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-73162094656025262742011-08-23T10:21:35.263-04:002011-08-23T10:21:35.263-04:00@zrated
Your rape analogy is false. Criminals are...@zrated<br /><br />Your rape analogy is false. Criminals are not part of the fixtures in a place that one can foresee in any detail nor does one enter into any kind of dealing with them. <br /><br />When I research and move to a country, I do indeed know something about the government and I do deal with them from the start. <br /><br />True, I might not like it that every place on earth has a Lila Rajivahttp://www.mindbodypolitic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-20020892396278146872011-08-23T08:46:25.255-04:002011-08-23T08:46:25.255-04:00so lila, if you moved into an area known to have o...so lila, if you moved into an area known to have occasional crime (like virtually every place on the planet), then you should accept (as a part of some "contract" you made with the criminals when you moved there) criminal acts against your person or property, right? <br /><br />"yeah, i was raped yesterday, but it's part of what i signed up for when i moved to [anywhere on zratedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00274530244007765955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-83300791021787818272011-08-22T23:48:57.610-04:002011-08-22T23:48:57.610-04:00I know a considerable amount of people associated ...I know a considerable amount of people associated with both the Cato Institute and the Mises Institute. To suggest that no one involved with the Mises Institute says things like this is simply ludicrous. I seriously doubt Mr. Wenzel actually believes this claim. There are constant suggestions and insinuation that Cato explicitly promotes facism and is actually totally influenced by funding/power Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-64250441087893550152011-08-22T17:13:48.893-04:002011-08-22T17:13:48.893-04:00@Brendan
1. I am not "left wing" or ri...@Brendan<br /><br />1. I am not "left wing" or right wing.<br />2. It is not a version of "if you don't like it, you can move." I merely said that you are not lacking in choices and you are not exerting all your choices. <br /><br />Or is it your contention that voluntarism is exerting EASY choices?<br /><br />3. Not at all. There is an exchange of value, albeit with Lila Rajivahttp://www.mindbodypolitic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-38242259420699268762011-08-22T16:27:43.527-04:002011-08-22T16:27:43.527-04:00I reject the idea that if you live in a geographic...I reject the idea that if you live in a geographical area you have a voluntary contract, a "social contract" with the government of that area. That is the left wing version of the old conservative saw : if you don't like it, move to Russia!<br /><br />A practical problem with the notion that living in a particular area is tantamount to a contract is the problem of defining just whatBrendanhttp://www.taxreturnteam.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-48101413031109318332011-08-22T13:34:18.953-04:002011-08-22T13:34:18.953-04:00@Texas Chris
I do agree broadly with what you are...@Texas Chris<br /><br />I do agree broadly with what you are saying.<br /><br />However, unless you are a native American, when your parents or grandparents moved to the US, they voluntarily chose to do so. <br /><br />I know I chose to live here. <br /><br />So it's not possible for me to say that the US government forced me to live here...and since children inherit the claims of their Lila Rajivahttp://www.mindbodypolitic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-52495786499716076202011-08-22T13:10:38.915-04:002011-08-22T13:10:38.915-04:00a minor point, but I do not believe libertarianism...a minor point, but I do not believe libertarianism to be a minarchist/anarchist ideology. It is based on the non-agression principle, therefore a voluntary state could be of any size and scope, from nonexistent to leviathan, so long as no individual was forced to participate.<br /><br />Libertarianism may lend itself to minarchy, but that is only a byproduct of libertarian voluntarism.<br /><br Texas Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-73205127818784435902011-08-22T11:40:56.445-04:002011-08-22T11:40:56.445-04:00I still read Reason, but only occasionally visit t...I still read Reason, but only occasionally visit the Cato website. I do enjoy their presentations on C-Span. <br />The comments here seem to think of Reason as a monolithic organization. So, when one person or even a couple of them criticize Ron Paul, the PC libertarian knives come out. <br />In fact, I agree with some of their columnists and disagree with some. To believe that every libertarian Brendanhttp://www.brendantrainor.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51072222366295823282011-08-22T11:35:44.242-04:002011-08-22T11:35:44.242-04:00Lew Rockwell asked the Koch Brothers for some fund...Lew Rockwell asked the Koch Brothers for some funding support when he was starting the Mises Institute and he was told in no uncertain terms that not only would they not give him funding, but they would go out of their way to bury the Mises Institute. "Totalitarian Libertarianism"?Thomas Molitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-39682570276834397772011-08-22T11:25:53.692-04:002011-08-22T11:25:53.692-04:00You've never seen members of Mises/LRC refer t...You've never seen members of Mises/LRC refer to Reason Magazine as "tReason"? The only time I see any mention of Cato/Reason from Mises/LRC is to discredit them as "beltway libertarians" or as a segue to make some comments about Koch Industries. I think it's safe to say there's very little mutual respect on either side, along with a fair amount of name-calling.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16014392702556826275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-41455107749757003172011-08-22T11:23:45.781-04:002011-08-22T11:23:45.781-04:00Here's how I see their respective roles:
Cat...Here's how I see their respective roles: <br /><br />Cato does POLICY work informed by Libertarianism, however you want to define that. Their aim is to assist lawmakers primarily and the populace second.<br /><br />Reason is a Current Affairs news magazine from a Libertarian perspective. They are simply a news outlet -they don't do as much proscriptive recommendations but mostly report Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-41144383045286415252011-08-21T18:13:12.182-04:002011-08-21T18:13:12.182-04:00Cato supporting the warfare state and the Fed make...Cato supporting the warfare state and the Fed make them lose any sort of credibility whatsoever to being for limited government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-69855655228649828012011-08-20T19:14:50.726-04:002011-08-20T19:14:50.726-04:00@Lila,
Thanks again for another link, and yes, t...@Lila, <br /><br />Thanks again for another link, and yes, they do.<br /><br />It's almost enough to make this grown man cry.Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-26455259244506881512011-08-20T18:15:55.273-04:002011-08-20T18:15:55.273-04:00Chris, I suspect that much of the disagreement wit...Chris, I suspect that much of the disagreement with Paul from the Cato/Reason crowd is due to his pro-state leanings. Immigration and gay marriage aren't inconsequential issues.Clintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88261313042012246342011-08-20T16:38:10.856-04:002011-08-20T16:38:10.856-04:00And in that context, I dug this up:
http://libert...And in that context, I dug this up:<br /><br />http://libertymaven.com/2007/12/19/the-official-media-guide-to-attacking-ron-paul/615/<br /><br />The talking points stay the same, don't they?Lila Rajivahttp://www.mindbodypolitic.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-22484979302433460302011-08-20T11:33:24.875-04:002011-08-20T11:33:24.875-04:00Though I don't know who the "rationall ec...Though I don't know who the "rationall economists" are Mr. Boaz referred to, I do know that I turned away from the Cato/Reason bloc early on in my libertarian "trajectory" due to their constant references to me as being a part of "public policy" in much of their work. <br /><br />That was too creepy for me to accept, even to this day, and should be, at least in Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-5222571511552689732011-08-20T10:00:53.756-04:002011-08-20T10:00:53.756-04:00The difference is that the Cato/Reason types are n...The difference is that the Cato/Reason types are not opposed to the Fed or the warfare state, so they want to have the government with enough money to do all sorts of programs that austrians are against. The whole point to me of 86ing the income tax would be to cut off the funds for the state, not to just shift who has to pay. It is ridiculous anyway to expect compliance, since the underground Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-46668211892012949142011-08-19T20:04:08.278-04:002011-08-19T20:04:08.278-04:00Cato has Johnson as "their" libertarian ...Cato has Johnson as "their" libertarian and Reason Magazine has trashed Ron Paul. Both these organizations ignore Paul as much as the mainstream media. How can you call yourself a libertarian organization and not support the man who has brought, not only libertarianism to the masses, but also Austrian Economics? I have friends whom know the words "libertarian" and "Chris Branconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-14016952766480931982011-08-19T19:25:42.581-04:002011-08-19T19:25:42.581-04:00I visited Cato's site daily when I was a teena...I visited Cato's site daily when I was a teenager, subscribed to Reason in my early 20s, now I'm almost 30 and I have rejected both. I acknowledge that they do sometimes turn out research and content that's good for the movement, but on the whole, I can't stand by them. <br /><br />Especially after that comment dissing RP on Fox by a woman from Reason the other day, I can't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-50312018327410260162011-08-19T18:59:21.510-04:002011-08-19T18:59:21.510-04:00LVMI has taken Mises' ideas to their logical c...LVMI has taken Mises' ideas to their logical conclusion, which are a anarcho-libertarian, and therefore do not see much if any role of a "state", aka a geographic monopoly of violence, in advancing liberty. Cato and (T)Reason still maintain minarchist views and therefore seek legitimacy within the current system despite their desire to radically re-engineer it. <br /><br />That is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-64129564730088180682011-08-19T18:06:46.357-04:002011-08-19T18:06:46.357-04:00@Anonymous 5:30,
Not I.@Anonymous 5:30,<br /><br />Not I.Larrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-24955486862092232612011-08-19T17:30:12.571-04:002011-08-19T17:30:12.571-04:00Who here would donate if any more money to Cato th...Who here would donate if any more money to Cato than LvMI?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-7823772262148043042011-08-19T17:01:39.725-04:002011-08-19T17:01:39.725-04:00I think it comes down to Cato and Reason's rej...I think it comes down to Cato and Reason's rejection due to the Koch influence of anything Murray Rothbard. The Mises Institute is dedicated to the Misesian system entirely, and that includes Rothbard's advancements and his work in libertarian theory, including Hoppe's advancements of Rothbard's work.<br /><br />Cato and Reason are Hayek centered, and rarely mention Mises, and Ted Sonniernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-17361213477790821872011-08-19T17:00:27.802-04:002011-08-19T17:00:27.802-04:00The Cato Institute was formed to advance the views...The Cato Institute was formed to advance the views of Murray Rothbard, who was also one of Cato's founders. After Rothbard was ousted in an internecine conflict, Cato's mission became muddled by their desire to be "respectable" rather than be morally and economically rigorous.<br /><br />The reason that Cato has been called "stato" is because of their penchant for Marknoreply@blogger.com