tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post6333679152614692207..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: A Libertarian Israeli on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and Anarcho-CapitalismRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-42058694308989454692014-08-29T14:44:49.672-04:002014-08-29T14:44:49.672-04:00my take away from this is nothing new. No matter w...my take away from this is nothing new. No matter what artificially/politically bounded bordered place on earth we are talking about, there will always be a minority of sociopaths doing there best to make life miserable for the rest of us. <br /><br />The solution is to create a large enough group who simply won't stand for this anymore. But most feel compelled to choose:for or against Israel.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16807090975131842483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-73593430892916440512014-08-28T10:15:18.724-04:002014-08-28T10:15:18.724-04:00Okay At Odds, fair enough.
Yet the fact still sta...Okay At Odds, fair enough.<br /><br />Yet the fact still stands that the sliver of land we now call Israel was in those days little more than a wasteland backwater of the imperial oriental playground. I think you'll find that aside from a few private absentee Ottoman and Lebanese landlords, nearly all the land was in the possession of the Ottoman Empire at that time – i.e. The State. It then Jan Smithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04776533803441281738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-52326176671327082312014-08-27T21:13:35.024-04:002014-08-27T21:13:35.024-04:00It seems that you put your words in my mouth. &quo...It seems that you put your words in my mouth. "...classify all Arab men between a certain age as terrorists" - actually, I said the opposite "1.6 mil. Israeli Arabs (25% of its citizenry) live in Israel, and nobody bomb them". Probably, because they do not launch rockets to their neighbors? Please, do not confuse cause and effect blaming Israel for retaliation.<br /><br />WithAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941557406950202842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-43856118894769914812014-08-27T12:27:56.893-04:002014-08-27T12:27:56.893-04:00I thought you were against collectivist analysis....I thought you were against collectivist analysis. You are making my point: The condition where most citizens are mostly rational most of the time exists nowhere.Brian Ericksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10188778202762603278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-6254512042365732272014-08-27T10:57:35.177-04:002014-08-27T10:57:35.177-04:00Wasn't referring to the whole history of the r...Wasn't referring to the whole history of the region. I was referring to the era before the 1920s-40s. And, no, I'm not touting even that era as the most peaceful ever (but when will it ever be?), but people were getting along for the most part. <br /><br />"What's more, in my opinion, Israel's ancient religious texts provide us with a very attractive blueprint for just the Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03498812383035675608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-33232707287437985112014-08-27T08:41:56.169-04:002014-08-27T08:41:56.169-04:00Yossi, I have no idea how you read my comment and ...Yossi, I have no idea how you read my comment and came to your conclusion. I was merely describing how to get there: constant effort on our part to seek truth and bring about change non-violently. It will certainly reach the tipping point in different places at different times. That is very good news. The collapse of the Soviet Union did not require anything from the rest of the world. The Dwighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15603153065912441315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-22490468318958658532014-08-27T08:37:26.309-04:002014-08-27T08:37:26.309-04:00At Odds, I'm sorry but the idea that "Eve...At Odds, I'm sorry but the idea that "Everything was cool" is so completely off the wall that I can barely believe anyone is capable of even entertaining the thought, let alone writing it in a blog comment. At which point in the ancient, troubled and bloody history of the Orient was 'everything cool'? When Adam and Eve were still in the Garden of Eden?<br /><br />The variousJan Smithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04776533803441281738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-8418060057272735082014-08-27T04:30:25.284-04:002014-08-27T04:30:25.284-04:00So true, everything you wrote At Odds. People don&...So true, everything you wrote At Odds. People don't realize how the people in Israel are completely oblivious to what is being called Globalist Zionism, this is totally an American Jewish thing. When it comes to Israeli politicians they are also mostly clueless about globalist machinations, with the exception of Netanyahu, who is essentially an American, who won't spend one day in Israel Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930409608459133280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-90437855185443494222014-08-27T04:19:25.963-04:002014-08-27T04:19:25.963-04:00Edward,
Good point, I apologize for the hasty not...Edward,<br /><br />Good point, I apologize for the hasty note. I didn't imagine it will attract all this attention.<br /><br />Azzam Pasha, the secretary general of the Arab League, in an October 1947 article of Akhbar al-Yom, said: "I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930409608459133280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-64658209467160627272014-08-27T03:46:59.506-04:002014-08-27T03:46:59.506-04:00Jack,
So are you saying that if I buy a home from...Jack,<br /><br />So are you saying that if I buy a home from a bank who has seized the property after foreclosure it won’t be legit because the bank is an absentee landlord and is tilting the law system with crony lobbying? Yes, I wouldn’t be the purest soul doing that, but most people would consider it fair game.<br /><br />Aside from that, the article you linked to contained so much rubbish. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930409608459133280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-1891266060898389472014-08-27T03:03:28.340-04:002014-08-27T03:03:28.340-04:00Dwight, this answer is depressing because it means...Dwight, this answer is depressing because it means that a society cannot become AnCap without all of its foes also following suit. Somewhat of a messianic vision I would say. David Friedman was trying to address this question when he was suggesting that the US could become AnCap while the cold war was still going on. He called it the hard problem of anarchism and I do agree it is the hard problem.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930409608459133280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-3474701919105304802014-08-27T03:00:00.373-04:002014-08-27T03:00:00.373-04:00Brian,
I don't think I have my blinders on th...Brian,<br /><br />I don't think I have my blinders on that bad. The argument is very simple. Let's assume that some of the citizens of Israel are responsible for X number of crimes. Let's assume that the aggrieved parties will only take as restitution a return to their former homes and the establishment of an Arab-Muslim state in lieu of the current Jewish state. My contention is thatAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930409608459133280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-30266103816411717952014-08-27T00:15:09.606-04:002014-08-27T00:15:09.606-04:00Are u serious?! Are you saying that all Palestini...Are u serious?! Are you saying that all Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamas? <br /><br />Well, since in your mind all Palestinians are responsible for rocket attacks and the kidnapping of Israelis, then how about the Israelis fire bomb the whole territory (dresden style). <br /><br /> You sound just like the war mongers in the US gov. who classify all Arab men between a Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138478828120297191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-82712328633659715312014-08-26T22:34:09.536-04:002014-08-26T22:34:09.536-04:00I don't think you get what anarchist capitalis...I don't think you get what anarchist capitalism means - it means the end of the state so if there is no state of Palestine,there is just individuals free to do whatever they like according to the non aggression principle then there is no need for Hamas or Fatah or whoever. No need for tunnels or rockets.<br />If the Israeli Government offered a deal which sent the PA to the scrapheap in Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-21766923630645787032014-08-26T22:28:14.963-04:002014-08-26T22:28:14.963-04:00Privatize Israel - 100% agree.
Cut off US funding...Privatize Israel - 100% agree.<br /><br />Cut off US funding to BOTH sides and the entire region-world - 100% agree.<br /><br />If do not want "destroying civilian infrastructure", do not turn Gaza into the large military missile unit launching 3,000 rockets to Israeli cities (reaching Tel Aviv international airport). If you do not want "bulldozing homes", do not kidnap and Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941557406950202842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55110476251998600312014-08-26T21:47:44.880-04:002014-08-26T21:47:44.880-04:00I always love these questions.
Q: Hey Ancaps, th...I always love these questions. <br /><br />Q: Hey Ancaps, the government's of the world have ruined everything, you get one chance, how would you fix everything. <br /><br />It's going to take baby steps to get government of people's lives and the less government the better people's lives will become. <br /><br />Baby Step #1 - Stop holding the Palestinian people in an open air Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138478828120297191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-74826625444799010862014-08-26T21:27:23.573-04:002014-08-26T21:27:23.573-04:00If the Israeli gov. began taking resources away fr...If the Israeli gov. began taking resources away from its welfare state to put toward its military, the population would be far more suspicious of what they're gov. is doing. When a gov.starts rasing taxes or cuts down on "services", populations don't exactly react with calm. <br /><br />In a way, the US is subsiding the welfare state of Israel, since Israel would not be able to Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18138478828120297191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-71025031393077967402014-08-26T19:34:22.761-04:002014-08-26T19:34:22.761-04:00To Health:
Hamas was an offspring of Muslim Broth...To Health: <br />Hamas was an offspring of Muslim Brotherhood created in Egypt in 20s, years before the reinstatement of Israel so Israel did not create Hamas but definitely did not prevent the expansion of its influence, perhaps helped it against PLO - that time PLO was militant but Hamas was peaceful. The same way the US helped Taliban and Ben Laden against Soviets in 70s-80s, or Russia used Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02941557406950202842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-57623409941033901852014-08-26T19:23:56.627-04:002014-08-26T19:23:56.627-04:00Jack, I think you're more right than most Isra...Jack, I think you're more right than most Israelis realize. The state of Israel (not the people) is a function of Anglo-American empire. It's still a complex issue, more so than I realized. RDF2https://www.blogger.com/profile/14340534647561133098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-14718960974959813312014-08-26T18:26:01.637-04:002014-08-26T18:26:01.637-04:00Fundamentally I agree, I am just not sure that wou...Fundamentally I agree, I am just not sure that would happen practically. For example: tomorrow Israel decides "I like this AnCap thing, lets do it". They pull back their troops, start talks to make restitution for past wrongs and try to stop hostilities. <br /><br />Hamas says, that's great. We want the entire West Bank. Israel reluctantly agrees. Hamas uses new controlled Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-90949433603340933792014-08-26T18:16:12.564-04:002014-08-26T18:16:12.564-04:00It’s rubbish to justify the Zionist aggression tak...It’s rubbish to justify the Zionist aggression taking place and what later took place. Most of the 7 percent of Palestine the Zionists acquired before 1948 was acquired from absentee landowners and only “legal” because the land was occupied by the British. There's good article written by the libertarian attorney Stephen P. Halbrook in 1981 titled “The Alienation of a Homeland: How Palestine Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18259730262288807964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-68491376258705629862014-08-26T17:51:39.805-04:002014-08-26T17:51:39.805-04:00not necessarily. it is likely that taking the aid...not necessarily. it is likely that taking the aid would simply force the israeli government to redistribute resources away from its social welfare state (which is surprisingly large) and toward its military. remember also, these "military escapades" are hardly escapades when the enemy is literally a few miles away and is able to target three-fourths of your country's population. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10228216861241537494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88951223161510228092014-08-26T17:15:52.927-04:002014-08-26T17:15:52.927-04:00An AnCap society would be a well armed (individual...An AnCap society would be a well armed (individually, and in voluntary systems collectively- aka militia) society with enough money to buy weaponry that would make any outside society VERY wary of initiating any attack. <br /><br />Imagine Israelis woke up tomorrow in a completely AnCap society. Such a society would have to negotiate, in good faith (and be prepared for the Palestinian collective RDF2https://www.blogger.com/profile/14340534647561133098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-84259710671985935122014-08-26T16:53:03.351-04:002014-08-26T16:53:03.351-04:00Then Mr Graf why did they help in creating Hamas? ...Then Mr Graf why did they help in creating Hamas? <br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/<br />Heathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15417060063126394938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-20480864152845625792014-08-26T16:43:05.383-04:002014-08-26T16:43:05.383-04:00I echo Yossi's final statement and would like ...I echo Yossi's final statement and would like to know how AnCap responds to non-AnCap cultures/nations that it will eventually come into conflict with. Can AnCap only work in an all AnCap world? If so then it is not useful. If it can then I would very much like to see how as geopolitical issues seem to make it untenable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com