tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post6634463752415522205..comments2024-02-13T02:39:22.756-05:00Comments on EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Ron Paul Exposed as a HypocriteRobert Wenzelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14296920597416905488noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-53942414468032360902012-06-26T13:45:36.459-04:002012-06-26T13:45:36.459-04:00We live in a competitive world. The "natural...We live in a competitive world. The "natural" market we operate in is the one that exists. So we are free to take full advantage to any legal activity. Welfare, bailouts, etc. -- so long as we did not create these policies or encourage these policies. By not taking what is available, we put ourselves at disadvantage and will have difficulty operating from a position of power, which Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492483558319742535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-52021821667922490192012-06-22T16:29:35.498-04:002012-06-22T16:29:35.498-04:00Am reminded of the nonsense that popped up a year ...Am reminded of the nonsense that popped up a year or so back about Ayn Rand getting Social Security/Medicare (I forget which) and claims that she was a 'hypocrite'.<br /><br />Forgotten is that paying into SS/MD is not voluntary...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77843181527466668932012-06-22T14:45:03.750-04:002012-06-22T14:45:03.750-04:00Your stance seems to hinge on the idea that RP is ...Your stance seems to hinge on the idea that RP is paying more into SS than he is getting out concurrently. If he is in fact only paying in $6800 a year or less, while getting close to 15,000, does that change what you think? Is it still better to get the check when the difference is coming from theft of other taxpayers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-79136544316678034922012-06-22T13:53:47.390-04:002012-06-22T13:53:47.390-04:00I think you misplaced a decimal, in the $68262.20 ...I think you misplaced a decimal, in the $68262.20 number, but you're right about the limits - I'm not an accountant and I try to only pay attention to this crap once per year. Since I have a job and a LLC, this caught my interest and I looked it up. Here's what I'm seeing:<br /><br />Paul has more than one income, the second being from the LLC. The other sources of income look Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-4026318688525946592012-06-22T12:50:16.824-04:002012-06-22T12:50:16.824-04:00So it's ok to break into your neighbor's h...So it's ok to break into your neighbor's house as long as you proxy the crime through a thief and don't do the dirty work yourself?<br /><br />If you go to a Mafia Don to collect a debt, and you know the only way he'll be able to pay you is by extorting money from the local businesses, that makes you ok you're getting the money from the entity that took your money?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77583260502330582062012-06-22T12:14:56.544-04:002012-06-22T12:14:56.544-04:00The current income cap on Social Security "co...The current income cap on Social Security "contributions" is $110,100, so he is not personally paying more than $6,8262.20 per year, given a rate of 6.2%, although I think we may be working with a 4.2% rate due to a rate cut by the OA, so if that is the case, he is not paying in more than $4,624.20.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-47355717380616933552012-06-22T11:28:30.294-04:002012-06-22T11:28:30.294-04:00No one argued that ALL is fair in bringing down th...No one argued that ALL is fair in bringing down the state, least of all me. You're moving the goalpost. If one wants to discuss right and wrong, you also have an obligation to argue honestly. Otherwise, you come to the discussion with unclean hands.<br /><br />To argue that not acting to bring down the state is always an ethical position, you're arguing for the premise that the state Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-63990882859436143462012-06-22T11:18:07.693-04:002012-06-22T11:18:07.693-04:00It sounds to me like he implicitly did argue for p...It sounds to me like he implicitly did argue for privatizing roads and the post office in the MSNBC interview.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-91823998543407385892012-06-22T11:05:30.741-04:002012-06-22T11:05:30.741-04:00Here is his statement
http://articles.latimes.com...Here is his statement<br /><br />http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/20/health/la-pn-ron-paul-social-security-opponent-acknowledges-he-receives-benefits-20120620<br /><br />“Just as I use the post office, I use government highways, I use the banks, I use the federal reserve system, but that doesn’t mean you can’t work to remove this in the same way on Social Security,” the Texas congressman saidAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-7871402825655599692012-06-22T10:24:11.375-04:002012-06-22T10:24:11.375-04:00It isn't about feeling moral or ethical superi...It isn't about feeling moral or ethical superiority. It is about having a standard of right and wrong, and acknowledging when something comes down on the side of wrong, even when it is a guy that is otherwise really likable. It is about being consistent to that standard of right and wrong. <br /><br />A position where all is fair in bringing down the state, is the flip side of the statist Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-40829833572851007012012-06-22T10:05:22.638-04:002012-06-22T10:05:22.638-04:00Ok, I accept the "I have contributed to Socia...Ok, I accept the "I have contributed to Social Security for 50 years so at least I should get some of my money back" argument.<br /><br />But I don't understand Block's argument that because the State is all around us and we use its "services" by default, that therefore it's acceptable to take Social Security checks. As opposed to government roads or the monopoly Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-22236543859453977362012-06-22T09:39:50.945-04:002012-06-22T09:39:50.945-04:00"he currently pays more into the Social Secur..."he currently pays more into the Social Security system than he receives from it."<br /><br />Do you have a link you could post? Knowing that OASDI withholding is a fraction of what is earned (6.2 % or 4.2% or whatever percentage they are using now), it seems improbable that RP is currently paying more into Social Security each month than he is getting back in benefits concurrently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-42673363676718188112012-06-22T09:14:20.128-04:002012-06-22T09:14:20.128-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-31466556180093382682012-06-22T08:49:51.686-04:002012-06-22T08:49:51.686-04:00http://www.theprojectveritas.org/cjlpartv
This is...http://www.theprojectveritas.org/cjlpartv<br /><br />This is interesting. Apparently that James O Keefe character claims to have uncovered evidence that the same person who tried to ambush Ron Paul on the Social Security issue, Sam Stein, also intentionally gets sources drunk to get information out of them. <br /><br />"Not only did we expose a "pay-for-play" deal among unions Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-62445295696840420672012-06-22T07:41:52.448-04:002012-06-22T07:41:52.448-04:00http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/354584/20120620/ro...http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/354584/20120620/ron-paul-social-security-news-delegate-2012.htm<br /><br />The IB Times hilariously attempted to attack Ron paul over this issue!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-55207210642224917272012-06-22T05:44:05.211-04:002012-06-22T05:44:05.211-04:00He's not "breaking into his neighbors hou...He's not "breaking into his neighbors house", he's accepting money from the very entity which stole his property in the first place. Those who accept money from the government aren't the perpetrators of the theft. Indeed, all of us are victims of it. <br /><br />Now, I understand that this could be seen as tacit approval of the theft, but refusing to accept money from theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-77128731887796447542012-06-22T01:42:34.436-04:002012-06-22T01:42:34.436-04:00RP calls for the ability to opt out of the SS ponz...RP calls for the ability to opt out of the SS ponzi game. Since that has never been an option I see nothing hypocritical about RP's stance. Being hypocritical means that the said hypocrite had some kind of choice to make - One which was in accordance to their stance and one which is not. Not being a voluntary system, SS in its current form offers no practical choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-51711581474331514622012-06-22T01:33:30.897-04:002012-06-22T01:33:30.897-04:00his employer is the government so technically he d...his employer is the government so technically he doesnt pay anything into social security for the same reason public employees dont pay any taxes, their entire income comes from taxation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-88135531386765743222012-06-22T00:49:17.664-04:002012-06-22T00:49:17.664-04:00I'd be happy to forgo everything I've cont...I'd be happy to forgo everything I've contributed to SS so far if I could opt out of the system right now and forevermore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-22664085406601086082012-06-22T00:17:12.203-04:002012-06-22T00:17:12.203-04:00RoC, nice try.
Homework assignment: look up the d...RoC, nice try.<br /><br />Homework assignment: look up the definitions of two words.<br /><br />1. Coerce<br /><br />2. VoluntaryAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-25240204686410192392012-06-22T00:14:46.696-04:002012-06-22T00:14:46.696-04:00p, there's another consideration.
First, wher...p, there's another consideration.<br /><br />First, where we agree: the state is coercive in all it does. It is, by definition, a coercive agent. <br /><br />If one does not accept the money or sends it back to the Treasury, it will be spent on further coercive activity. In other words, by *not* accepting the money, you're just enabling it to use the money to harm another. <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09268156127587926631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-50738692260493571752012-06-22T00:11:25.314-04:002012-06-22T00:11:25.314-04:00Become Amish!Become Amish!Phatheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05101643264100406083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-76463553655708438842012-06-21T23:23:52.991-04:002012-06-21T23:23:52.991-04:00Hey genius, Ron Paul pays more into SS than he get...Hey genius, Ron Paul pays more into SS than he gets bak to this day.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-1584513408244010682012-06-21T22:44:51.998-04:002012-06-21T22:44:51.998-04:00Yes, but where does it end? You already have some ...Yes, but where does it end? You already have some in the liberty movement defending the actions of the drug snitch, Stacey Litz, because "that is just the way the system is set up."<br /><br />Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3758330678390419129.post-453373922740654522012-06-21T22:35:34.029-04:002012-06-21T22:35:34.029-04:00In SS, the people you're taking money from had...In SS, the people you're taking money from had NOTHING to do with taking the money from you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com