Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Piers Morgan vs. Larry Pratt on Guns

Piers Morgan and Larry Prat really go at it, especially in the second half. Morgan ends up name calling Pratt, after Pratt blows apart Morgan's thinking. At various points after Pratt nails him Morgan calls Pratt 'dangerous,' 'stupid,' and 'idiot'.



(ht Travis Holte)

51 comments:

  1. My father told me he liked Morgan more than King. I like my father less for it.

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    1. :-))))))))))))

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    2. Piers Morgan needs some lessons in basic civility.

      By the way, it's been pointed out that Britain has had lower crime rates than the USA for centuries, during most of which time guns were as freely available there.

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    3. The real issue with the interview was not the guns, but Morgan's desire to revive and legitimise public lynching (trolling and bullying in modern terms). The actual topic became totally irrelevant.

      In a year with some very high profile bullying induced tragedies, I am disappointed that CNN condoned this sort of behavior. Morgan is a dangerous role model.

      He did this to Ken Feinberg last year (the BP compensation fund administrator). I am sure there have been other such lynching interviews I did not watch. Sadly, in both cases, he did have some valid points but they were clouded by his blood-thirsty desire to land punches and his attempts to silence responses by talking over his guests.

      This is also sadly the norm for those who share his background in hyping and sensationalising news; those whom they beat up /vilify are typically disadvantaged by not having adequate means of responding to twisted accusations, labeled guilty and deprived a real chance of proving otherwise. This is pretty evil.

      Even if the guests had loathsome views and were wrong, there is no excuse for TV/media lynching. (In both interviews, some of his points were valid, but I doubt if he actually cared about the problems, just the beating). He is dangerous also because of the illusion that he cared.

      Morgan was so focused on the beating that he did not even bother thinking through his points (many are valid) and allowed Pratt to get away with twisting statistics and constructing pseudo-scientific arguments. Pratt did handle himself well which was impressive for someone who clearly believes in fighting fire with fire - he did not fight animosity with animosity. For that part at least, I would say that Pratt was a good role model.

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    4. There were lots of statistical correlations falsely used as cause-and-effect by both sides. It is almost like saying that statistically more car accidents happen when windshield wipers are turned on, so ban wipers (and never mind the bad weather which has nothing to do with accidents).

      Agree on lacking civility.

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    5. Your Father is a great man.

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  2. Larry Platt is amazing. That guy should be doing everyone interview he can handle right now. We need people like him able to competently defend the rights of people in this country.

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    1. Piers Morgan is rude. Too rude.

      Did his mother teach him to act that way towards others?

      Was that a news show, or The Jerry Springer show all jacked up on anti-depressants where the host is an angry man? Yeesh.

      If the station managers had any shred of integrity they'd fire Piers Morgan on the spot for this behavior.

      It's Not like they didn't invite Mr. Prat to the interview.

      Larry Prat was as gracious as could be, I was impressed with his manners, his cool demeanor and his grasp of the facts.
      The man has class. Something that seems to be lacking at CNN.
      ... Yes, I know, no one should be surprised.

      - IndividualAudienceMember

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    2. GOA is a way better organization for defending gun rights than the NRA (National Republican Apologists).

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    3. Larry Pratt was avoiding every question and the only thing he could say was whine about the 2nd amendment. And fictitious crime rates.

      Piers Morgan's behaviour was inacceptible, but it must be very frustrating to interview a parrot that knows only one sentence.

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    4. The only motivation of this man is money.

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  3. Everyone, please ditch the NRA and join Gun Owners of America.

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  4. I didn't know Brian Fellows had his own show on CNN.

    Every thirty seconds I thought to myself, "There's no way this interview is going to continue." But it just kept going.

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  5. Problem is criminal don't follow laws. The government fails to keep all shorts of drugs out of the country (including prisons), it'll surely fail keeping all these assault rifles outta the hands of the wrong people. I'm surprise people haven't been able to bring up Operation Fast and Furious where the feds were forcing guns dealers to sell these types of guns to people gun dealers didn't want to sell to.

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  6. Wow. Pratt completely destroyed Piers Morgan! Hilarious!

    He isn't being defensive like most of the GOP/NRA types, he is going for the jugular against the fascist idiots like Morgan. I loved how he put the blame on Morgan for gun control policies that made the CT shooting possible - the pro gun people need to be doing that as the counter every time.

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  7. Ahhh Piers Morgan - lapdog of the elite, defender of the status quo, intellectually missing in action - and the MSM wonders why no one is watching and even fewer care. Interesting how when they are exposed for the vacant, windbags they are, the only response available is name calling - 4 year olds on soap boxes. Fortunately, someone had the foresight to put an off button on the TV...

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  8. Thank you Mr. Pratt for not wanting to prevent me from defending myself from criminals who flout gun laws.

    Morgan is so wrong and yet he actually believes he is right because his emotions are telling him he is right. Sorry, but reason trumps emotions.

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  9. All I heard was "Hurr durr 2nd amendment!!". If more people in this country think Morgan was the silly one here, I can't say I disagree with foreigners who think our country is full of idiots.

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    1. I advise you to get your hearing checked.

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    2. Hear only what you want to, eh? Next....

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    3. So why do you want to disarm me against idiots with guns?

      If you believe taking equal force guns away from good people, who defend themselves against criminals with equal force guns, is going to help those good people, then the idiot is you. It would be like saying the US should destroy all its nuclear weapons and hope that other nuclear powers don't use them as a threat, because nuclear bombs are bad, mmkay.

      The solution to gun violence is gun protection, not disarming good people in the face of criminals WHO DON'T OBEY THE LAW.

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    4. Policemen carry guns only in exceptional circumstances in Britain. Most of the time they don't. Why not allow concealed weapons on planes since you are far likelier to have more armed good guys than bad guys in an attack? Shouldn't the same argument apply to chemical weapons and biological weapons (and neutron bombs too)?

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  10. Right Piers, another law. Another law will always fix the problem. What a dimwit, he won't even consider Mr. Platt's argument.

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    1. a law making murder illegal fixed the problem of murder, didnt it?

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  11. When you don't have an argument start in on the ad hominems and apeals to fear. Where do these people learn their craft? Obviously the conditioning sinks in on some people otherwise these blustering puffers would be off the air. I'm not sure how they live with themselves other than to bathe in the cash when they get home and try to forget what they've just done like a highly paid escort.

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  12. Pratt is awesome. I wish Aaron Zellman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership were still with us to also speak up against the gun-grabbing hysterics.

    Morgan, on the other hand, is an irresponsible, obnoxious, ignorant twat.

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  13. What a despicable, elitist, piece of garbage Piers Morgan is.

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  14. Typical Brit who hasn't a clue. Piers, your country has forbidden individual self defense. Nuff said

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  15. The Benny Hill Theme should introduce Morgan's show. Oh, how right you are Morgan! I'm gonna go out into the world and tell every gun owner I see that they're an idiot for owning a useful tool.

    Piers Morgan is a village idiot, and a handsomely paid one. He probably has privately armed security in his studio.

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  16. One man in this clip appealed to peoples emotions and fear; the other to peoples logic and reason. Poloticians always use emotion and fear to manipulate people from seeing reason and logic. Ultimatly to convince other people to do the wrong thing to thier own advantage.

    PU Morgan is a media-tician: terribly wrong, but sounds right based on his ability to envoke emotion rather than reason.

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    1. media-tician

      I like that, fit's perfectly.

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    2. I prefer the term press-titute.

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  17. the arguements alwaya go this way and always end this way. i dont think this guy in the video made the a good arguement or turned the tables on Morgan, but Morgans responses were typical of someone with his general views.

    i often get the "your right to own a gun doesnt trump a childs right to live" arguement, but how does simply owning an object trump anyone elses rights? it doesnt. it's only actions that can be immoral, owning property can never be immoral.

    if i own a gun and engage in no acts of force or violence against anyone else i am a moral man, but to turn the tables on the guncontrol and 'peace' activist, instead tell them that they are the one initiating force and violence against me by removing my property against my will.

    i am told i am wrong for owning a 30rd mag for my CT legal AR, but i am? is there a moral difference between a 10rd and a 30rd mag? is owning a 10rd mag moral and a 30rd mag immoral? can both be morally owned? can both be immorally used?

    they do not know what to say to this, so they tell me that there is no need for a semi automatic 'assault weapon', well there is no need for a lot of things, i ask if it is their principle that the government ultimately should decide what citizens need or dont need or if this is the individuals right to choose for themselves so long as they are peaceful? is it moral or immoral?

    then i usually get called stupid, ignorant, asshole, gunnut, etc..

    in the end, theres no debating with these people.

    buy scary guns while you can

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  18. America is not #1 'factless' Piers, it is #28.

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  19. What a dishonet man Morgan is. He cherry picked murder rate data ignoring overall violent crime data.

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    1. C'mon. That's his job, end of!

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  20. If I was running a school I would do the following:

    IN every classroom put a safe with a thumb scanner on it. Put a purple alarm beside all firealarms that when pulled allows the thumb scanner to work at all (and blue dyes the person that pulls it)

    In the safe is a loaded hand gun.

    Thus the gun is safe until needed, and once needed every adult in the school has easy access and is now armed.

    Problem solved and 0 mass murders in schools.

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    1. That's ridiculous, James Hancock.

      What if no one pulls the lever, yet there's trouble?

      S.O.L.?

      Same as it ever was.

      Centralized control fails.

      Individuals need to be the ones who decide what the level of security is. Centralized control fails.

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  21. Anybody else catch the bit at the very end? It sounded like "coming up" was going to be an interview with a couple of parasites who were aggressed against by armed tax slaves. I'll bet that was a real treat.

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  22. James... time to draw: 1 second. Time to run to the safe and open it: 30 seconds. Time for assailant to figure out that there's a safe with a gun in it and fire a shot: 10 seconds.

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  23. Regarding weapon vaults in schools-

    My experience in schools didn't impress upon me that all teachers are good educators, or even good people, so Im not convinced that all teachers are going to make good armed first responders. Whils heavily armed schools might seem representitive of some communities, its the exact opposite of what many communities want. Thats why I see allowing teachers to be armed if they choose, but not requireing them to be as the best solutions. This wouldn't please many hard liners of any persuasion, but it will allow the amount of weapons in schools to be somewhat representitive of specific communities, and it would present would be monsters with a big unkown to contend with (and that might be a bigger deterent than a know quantity). Another thing that some people are worried about in the context of allowing adults access to guns in schools is the possibility of those guns falling in childrens hands. If you look at how concealed carry has worked out ib this country, we dont have much reason to worry about concealed weapons falling into the wrong hands. Legally required gun vaults on the other hand, would be an obvious target for theft. Never underestimate the enginuity of a child determined to break a rule, even if thats the extent of thier bad intentions

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  24. The mass shootings are obviously result of "legal" psychotropic drugs turning previously depressive young adults into manic-depressives! In those meglomania episodes, the drugged-out minds wanted to live out their god-complex, so they decided to pick on soft targets, like typical gun-free zones!

    If the teachers so much as considered armed, the psychotic patient wouldn't show up there to seek easy pickings. When was the last time any of us heard mass shooting like this at gun shows? or at police stations? Why don't the perpetrators go there? Because people there are presumably well armed and capable of defending themselves.

    There should be a new gun control law as following:

    The President shall waive a magic wand for 1 minute and make all guns in the US disappear without using any coercive force or at any expense. The individual American people shall thereafter be free to use whatever mechanical devices left to defend themselves, including devices that discharge projectiles and make loud noises; such devices shall no no longer be called "guns" because "guns" are disappeared.

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    1. Anonymous @ 9:57 PM, I think you've given me a glimpse into the Clover mind that I did Not want to see.

      Wow, they do think like that, don't they? Amazing.

      Just devoid of thought, really. As if they are mass-hypnotized or something.

      Stimulus/response and that's it.

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  25. Piers Morgan gives us countless examples of Ad Hominems in this interview.

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  26. Hats off to Mr. Pratt, what a compelling performance. Very impressed that he kept his cool and got the better of Morgan, who simply fell apart. Morgan had nothing to say, resorted to emotion and NAME CALLING?? Clearly there's little substance to his position. At this moment I'm very proud to be a card carrying GOA member. Thank you, thank you, Larry Pratt.

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  27. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    - Madonna

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  28. If your “freedom” threatens children’s safety, it’s reasonable to restrict the 2nd amendment.

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    1. Standing up for YOUR Freedoms too !December 20, 2012 at 5:18 PM

      - My "freedom" didn't threaten or kill any child - An insane person on the verge of being institutionalized did.

      - Center for Disease Control Fact - In 2011, 450 people DIED falling out of bed. From the FBI, in 2011, 323 people killed by rifles - Do we outlaw beds ?

      - From the FBI again, in 2011, 1,700 people killed by knives. Common knives. Do we outlaw those ?

      - There is NO SUCH THING as an "assault weapon". This is a political term only. The weapon is only a tool with it's use determined by the user.

      - This was a 20 year old young man who could have done the same thing with a different tool; a baseball bat, a hammer, or even a kitchen knife - A heinous, horrific, unspeakably evil crime was committed on 6 yr olds by a PERSON.

      IT'S NOT THE GUN ! IT'S NOT THE GUN ! IT'S NOT THE GUN !

      - When your child is afraid of "the monster in the closet" you acknowledge their emotions, you reassure them, and then you show them the FACTS that there are no monsters in the closet or under the bed.

      Just because you feel something doesn't make it true !
      The facts are stubborn things. (ie: The Columbine shooting happened WHILE the previous assault weapons ban was in place.)

      - I WILL stand up and shout for Your Freedoms !
      - I WILL stand up and fight for Your Freedoms !

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  29. CNN should be ashamed of Piers. He doesn't even let his guests talk -- why does he stil have his job?

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    1. Why should CNN be ashamed of Piers? CNN takes money from foreign dictators to push flattering propaganda about them:

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/09/3-time-emmy-award-winning-cnn-journalist-mainstream-media-takes-money-from-foreign-dictators-to-run-flattering-propaganda.html

      The mainstream media is dying and they will grasp at anything to get ratings; just look at the circus coverage of the Sandy Hook shooting complete with melancholy music to play out to commercials. It was a reality television show at its worst.

      At least prostitutes are honest about their line of work.

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  30. It's staggering just how amazingly stupid some people are. Solving gun crime by adding more guns... even a child could spot the flaw in that logic. The very existence of those disgusting rifles outside of the military is outrageous.

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