Tuesday, July 31, 2012

India's Power Grid Fails for 2nd Day; 600 Million without Power

This is a hint at what real economic collapse looks like. It's not a Japanese style roll in the park.

AP reports:
India's energy crisis cascaded over half the country Tuesday when three of its regional grids collapsed, leaving more than 600 million people without government-supplied electricity in one of the world's biggest-ever blackouts.

The massive failure — a day after a similar, but smaller power failure — has raised serious concerns about India's outdated infrastructure and the government's inability to meet its huge appetite for energy as the country aspires to become a regional economic superpower.
Here's AP providing the clue to what is going down:
Power Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde blamed the new collapse on states taking more than their allotted share of electricity.

"Everyone overdraws from the grid. Just this morning I held a meeting with power officials from the states and I gave directions that states that overdraw should be punished. We have given instructions that their power supply could be cut," he told reporters.
Whenever you here talk of "too much" of a product being used, it is a sure sign that market prices are not being allowed to adjust to supply and demand conditions and that price controls are in effect, distorting the picture.

If significant price inflation hits the US down the road, the implementation of price controls could be a very real possibility, causing shortages through out the economy.


  1. I read another article which, in addition to the too much product being used on the demand side of things, the "economic planning minister" (hint) indicated shortages of coal as well.

    Whenever you hear talk of not enough product being AVAILABLE, it is also a sure sign that prices are not being allowed to adjust to supply and demand conditions and that price controls are in effect, distorting the picture.

    India is almost certainly screwing itself on both sides of this equation.

    P.S. In your penultimate sentence you mean "hear" instead of "here".

  2. Even here in the U.S., we still live in the dark ages of centralized home energy dependence. Last Fall's big power outage in Connecticut that lasted for over a week was because of that.

    You would think that by NOW, at least in the U.S., there would be some sort of cheap means of decentralized, independent energy sources for each home and business. (But TPTB don't WANT the masses to be independent! So their regulatory and patent fascists continue to obstruct such independence and decentralization.)

  3. Don't rule out the possibility of sabotage.

    I've been watching this situation day to day with family members.

    The state, yes. But it also has to do with the demands of the the elites that the Indian government speed up on "liberalization."

    This could be a show of power.

    India was also hit by the stuxnet a while back. Now we know that the CIA and Mossad was behind that.

    There have been ongoing low-grade attacks on India in the past two years (ranging from psywar in the media to small, apparently unrelated attacks).

    The Rajat Gupta conviction was one part of it, IMHO.

    The state with the highest level of outsourced industries, Tamil Nadu, has a chief minister who is bending backward for the neo-cons and their softpower NGOs and missions.

    There has been raids on Hindu temples and theft of their gold by ostensibly secular governments (actually commie), who are hand in glove with the Christian outfits (read pro-Western). There is a lot of gold in some of those temples, and it is being pushed back into the government, via psywar against Hinduism. The idea is to get the money into the Indian government where the western elites can then draw it back to themselves.

    Tamil Nad is also the state with a huge number of multinationals and lots of electricity shortages, as it is.

    There is instigated rioting in the NE where supposedly Hindus and Christians are attacking Muslims. I say supposedly because there is so much intelligence activity there (CIA and Mossad) it's hard to know what's real and what's not.

    There was an attack on India's naval HQ on the east coast, allegedly by Chinese hackers, but since Stuxnet (US-Israeli) who knows.
    And then the US shot down an Indian fishing boat.

    So don't rule out that this could be a deliberate attack.

    1. Riiight... so it's the fault of Indian elites, CIA, Mossad, neo-cons, communists, Christians, and multinationals.

    2. Why is it so hard for some people to believe that elitists in power would deliberately sabotage power grids (or airlines, or elections, etc.)? Given how those who are driven toward positions of power tend to be those who crave power and nothing else, the psychopaths rise to the top. But some people are very naive and just don't want to believe that the ones with power over them would deliberately do something to harm them (like sabotage power grids).

    3. Sounds about right, jkll.

      Even though you didn't mean it that way.

    4. bunch of nonsense from Lila.honestly,as an Indian,i expected better analysis from her
      a)none of the wealth from padmanabhaswamy temple has been stolen.far less by commies
      b)christian missionaries have been active in the north east for historic reasons.their influence in the rest of the country is not much of a flash point in the last few years ever since the public lynching of graham staines
      c)stuxnet targetted useless indian govt network.one where officials in govt still use .gmail.com or .yahoo.com -like yesterday the authority 'in charge' of the nellore train disaster did.average hackers could crash indian govt systems.it is not an achievement to boast or

      just like central planning collapsed in russia under its weight,the power sector in india which is 40% theft and the rest 12 hour 'earth hours' for 65% of india on a daily basis,is bound to collapse sooner than later.you dont need mossad or cia to do anything about it.
      btw,the headline 600 million indians without power is meaningless. out of these 600 million, around 400 million are anyway without electricity for 12-18hrs daily.big deal.a private industry of inverters and diesel generators is doing booming business.these people missed nothing.the hullabaloo is because the big cities where the big shots live ,losing electricity.

      and you should know better.the grid failed in north india.tamil nadu belongs to the better managed south indian grid.
      the rajat gupta conviction was all about preet bharara showing how tough he can on fellow brown skinned people.earning his spurs among his white brothers,as it were.

    5. Scott Lazarowitz, google the phrase "convent-educated elite". Look at a few results from Indian or Pakistani websites.
      Try www.pathakjeematrimonial.com/ads.asp or
      http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_is-it-possible-to-avoid-the-mother-tongue-in-your-english_1646512 or other such hits

      "elite" there does not mean what you think it means.

  4. India is running by the grace of God, not by human (like Japan), So take it easy like other matters. we indians know how to adjust with it. Don't mind just sleep in peace God will look after us.
    Insensitive Indian !!!!!!!!!

  5. @Jkll.

    I didn't say who was behind it. I said don't rule out the possibility.

    CIA and Mossad ARE operating in India. Google David Headley and the Mumbai bombing.

    (Kochi is now a leading center of the Asian drug trade, as is Mumbai. There is Mossad activity there too. Look it up.)

    Multinationals are fighting Adivasis over mineral rich lands in the east. Google Binayak Sen, Naxalites, etc.

    There IS a rift between globalist-elites like Mittal and the Indian government.

    There is a rift between the globalists themselves, like the one between the Ambani brothers (Mukesh and Anil) which is being played out in Andhra, also a center of high tech.

    It's led to rioting and looting in the past against Reliance outlets.

    The looting was instigated by the reading out of a piece by Mark Ames, wildly speculating that Ambani murdered someone.

    Ames, (Taibbi's partner) has his own motives for spreading such rumors irresponsibly among illiterate people. The point is to provoke unrest.

    That is why this Anna Hazare (trojan horse NGO backed anticorruption movement) has quickly claimed that the Indian government is behind the electricity failure. That conspiracy is covering the first few pages of Google. Hazare is trying to use the grid failure/sabotage as an excuse to provoke rioting and more unrest and confront the government to topple it. Color revolution anyone? And the color revolutions were Soros backed, weren't they? That is CIA.

    There were violent riots in the NE area in the last few days where the electricity outages began. Coincidence?

    There was a cyber attack on Indian naval HQ in Vizag a couple of months ago.

    CIA and Mossad admitted to having created Stuxnet.
    Iran's nuclear facility was hit by Stuxnet.
    India also was hit by Stuxnet a couple of years ago, but more mildly.

    India partnered earlier this year with Iran in barter and non-dollar trade. Since there, the pressure has ratcheted up.

    Those are conspiracy facts.

    1. If all these services weren't centrally-controlled, it would be nearly impossible for the CIA, Mossad, or other government-financed thugs to effectively attack them.

      It's entirely possible these assholes are "helping India along," but the ultimate problem is India's central planning (I'm not a fan of U.S. central planning either).

    2. Mossad? I came across very few articles http://www.opinion-maker.org/2012/02/indian-raw-cracks-down-on-mossad-operations-in-india/, for example, which most (ostensibly) Indian commenters are rubbishing.

      "Multinationals are fighting Adivasis over mineral rich lands..." So are Indian companies: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-05-26/news/31860979_1_bauxite-mining-bauxite-deposits-coal-mines I don't know what Binayak Sen has to do with any of this.

      I don't know what you mean by "elites". Aren't you one too?

      "India partnered earlier this year with Iran in barter and non-dollar trade."
      Wonderful! This is how I would do all my trade if it were practicable. What is so bad about it?

      Reading what you have written gives me the impression that you easily fall for lies, half-truths and conspiracy theories.

  6. The world's biggest black-out that paralyzed all sectors including education, health, transport, industries, water supply with severe disruption to the normal life of 670 million all over India. The immediate adverse impact would be on the life of a common man who lives on daily earnings and the long range incidence will be on growth rate to decline with higher inflation.

  7. Hmmm, good luck getting any customer service from many American businesses, probably for a good while.

  8. Centralization is a problem. Yes. But there is much much more going on.

    I don't like government and no doubt India is hugely corrupt.

    But revolution in India is not like some Tea Party guys holding a Townhall meeting.

    Check out what really happened in the Rajat Gupta case on my blog.

    I'll be adding links as I find to this post.

    1. You miss the point. Without centralization, it would be almost impossible for the CIA or Mossad to attack the infrastructure. If there were thousands of power suppliers, it would be almost impossible to attack enough of them at one time to make a serious disruption of power.

      It is the socialistic approach to centrally-controlling people that enables foreign powers to have limited points of attack to cause major disruption.

  9. :A second “nation” of Israel today is nearing completion smack dab in the middle of the world’s premier drug producing region, the Golden Triangle of Burma — located right on the border between India and the military dictatorship now known as Myanmar, which is the real model of the human future.

    Activities presaging the creation of a second Israeli state are well-known in India, but not elsewhere. Most everyone remembers how the first Israel popped onto the world scene in 1948 and has continued mass murdering its neighbors and hapless nations that fall under its sway ever since.

    Precisely, political stealth moves over the last three decades and an aggressive outreach effort by “rabbis from Israel” to convert inhabitants of the three easternmost provinces of India to Judaism have been reported for years by Indian patriots in the Himalayan foothills who seek to return their country to its much longed for pre-British liberty.

    The Deccan Chronicle, a newspaper in Hyderabad, reported that by means of “a ritual bath,” rabbis promise penniless Christian, Muslim and pagan converts a trip to Israel and preferred employment status, then buy votes of peasants, take over local boards and pass laws to legalize their manipulations, the same way they do everywhere else.

    While the core issue in this geopolitical expansion of Rothschild-Rockefeller money empire that controls the world is proximity to the centuries old center of opium production run by the generals in Myanmar, the creation of a new Israeli state in the exact center of China, India and Southeast Asia augurs badly for the peoples of the region, as the current level of destabilization among Israel’s neighbors in the Middle East clearly illustrates.

    And not to be forgotten is that the world’s oldest still functioning oil field is located in this area and Tripura state is reported to be floating on a sea of natural gas."

  10. Air conditioners are weapons of mass destruction

  11. @Jkll

    1. Mossad presence in India is well-known, not documented. Mossad has been training Indian troops, for decades. Fact, not conspiracy.

    2. Yes, Indian own multinationals too. What's that got to do with it? Ambani is one of the richest men in the world. "Multinational" doesn't automatically mean Western, although Western companies are heavily involved and most of the multinationals (duh) have international and Western interests.
    Please read my writing about globalization before making silly assumptions.

    3. Barter with Iran is a good thing.Did I say not? The elites do not like it, because they prefer the dollar regime.

    4. The elites or power elite is polite short-hand for the central banking cartel, backed by the biggest financiers, bankers and business houses in the West, but including some non-Western groups as well.

    Lila Rajiva

    5. It's a shame to be so thoroughly misinformed and then pontificate as though you know something,