Tuesday, August 28, 2012

Wow, Rand Paul Throws His Father Under the Bus

CNN's Wolf Blitzer just interviewed Rand Paul and gave him the opportunity to comment on the fact that the Republican National Committee failed to announce from the podium the votes Ron Paul received during the nomination roll call.

Blitzer called the RNC move as small, disrespectful, and unfair. Rand failed to answer the question and comment on the RNC disrespect. Instead, Rand did the politician thing and answered a different question about what was in the platform.

Blitzer went on to say it was disrespectful that the RNC failed to give his father a speaking spot. He tried to get comment from Rand, but Rand did the political thing and not back up Blitzer on his comment but went into a monologue on how much better Romney-Ryan was then Obama-Biden.

Rand sounded like a bought and paid for tool of the establishment, putting the establishment ahead of his father, even though Blitzer was giving Rand every opportunity to support his father against RNC and its clear bias against Ron Paul  

42 comments:

  1. Ron Paul just said that he "endorses the ticket but not wholeheartedly". He could not say whether he supports them or not! It was so obvious that he is playing politics, just like his son. So sad.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qydlRhcZ8HM#!


    What's the difference between the two? Ron Paul thrown his own people and his own campaign under the buss. Why is Rand any worse? He is doing the same thing as his father.

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    1. It is called hijacking the oposition.That is what Obama did when he ran the first time.they are all same dung.
      bhaaa bhaaa bhaaa.

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    2. If the youtube video above is the basis for your blurb then this it is very misleading. Ron Paul is denying any sort of endorsement in the video. He is being his incredible, sweet self.

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    3. No, the person who threw the Paul campaign under the bus was Jesse Benton. Twice.

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    4. I don't think he is playing politics at all. He could easily follow Santorum, Gingrich, Perry, etc.and fully endorse Romney/Ryan. There would be all sorts of advantages to his son and the libertarian movement in the Republican party for doing so (and the news reports say he personally likes Romney as well). But he isn't probably because of foreign policy and civil liberties differences. But for what it's worth, he does seem to saying he supports Romney/Ryan over Obama/Biden which some people who read this site might disagree with.

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    5. He said the opposite of what you just claimed; watch the video again. He did NOT endorse them.

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  2. I think you are reading too much into all this. Rand Paul is NOT Ron Paul, there's no denying. But he is simply avoiding controversial topics. What good would come out of him agreeing that it was disrespectful?

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    1. "What good would come out of him agreeing that it was disrespectful?"

      Umm... truth perhaps?

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  3. The nice thing about not having any respect for politicians, excluding Ron Paul, is they never surprise you. Well, I shouldn't say that. They do surprise me when they occasionally do the right thing.

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  4. Wolf Blitzer will give anyone air time and a softball interview who says anything critical of Republicans.

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  5. I think they set Rand up. They probably sent some hot chick in and he cheated on his wife with her. Something like this has to be the case.

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  6. Rand made his position clear a during his campaign on the O'Reilly Factor where, when discussing possibly nuking Iran, he would take nothing off of the table. That's when I decided that my previous (significant) contribution to his campaign was misguided and would not be followed.

    Rand apparently wants to say nothing that might offend the Republican Party apparatus. That is his strategy for staying in the fold and remaining/becoming relevant in ways his father didn't/wouldn't.

    I understand Rand - don't agree with or respect his actions - but I don't understand hardcore (Rothbardian) libertarians that are surprised now. Especially surprising are those that are crying foul about the Republicans cheating them out of delegates, states, nomination and a speaking role. Shouldn't it strike everyone as obvious that sociopathic politicos might break party rules given that they routinely support mass murder and theft? Can you imagine Murray Rothbard getting all upset about Republicans cheating? Of course not; he would chuckle and make a pithy comment before telling stories from history of similar behavior.

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  7. I hope I am proven wrong but Rand looks as though he's got the same problem as the rest of them: he came to Washington to do good and instead, he's doing well.

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  8. U.S. Senators are treated like dieties, he does not want to give that up. Washingtonitis has struck(it strikes about all the Noobs that go there).

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  9. Ivan, Ivan, Ivan. He actually said he didn't endorse the ticket (50 second mark) despite Cavuto's persistence. later now he wouldn't even commit to voting for Romney.I guess that's the difference.

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  10. Here is the only question that people need to ask themselves, do you want Rand Paul in the senate or do you want some other political hack in his senate seat?

    No, Rand is perfect. Yes, he has compromised and sold out to advance his own political career. But I would take Rand any day over just about any other senator. And remember, the senate is not the house, a few people can slip through the cracks in the house but if you try to rock the boat from the senate you can consider your political career over.

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    1. "...if you try to rock the boat from the senate you can consider your political career over. "

      Then his career should be over. What the hell good is it if he's just being like the rest? Damn some people's desperation is ghastly!

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  11. do you doubt that he would sell his mother on ebay if only his political advancement required it?

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  12. And when Neil asked him at the beginning was the description that he "supports the ticket but not wholeheartedly" correct or not he said; "yes". And in the New York Times interview, if I am not wrong, he said that he "could not FULLY support the ticket". What does that mean? As a Ron Paul fan, are you really satisfied with that kind of crap? You really could swallow that he did not fight at all at the convention and before it, moreover - he subverted his own campaign and let down his people who were ready to do everything for him, by making a "compromise" with Romney so as to illegally eliminate his dully elected delegates in many states? Do you remember him praising a terrific "compromise" in Louisiana, where the establishment simply stole his victory and gave him just 17 out of 41 delegates? Is that a normal behavior? You can really swallow him not rejecting openly Rand's endorsement of Mitt (moreover, him tacitly approving this endorsement on his Facebook page)? And him tolerating Jesse Benton's despicable and treasonous behavior towards his supporters and his campaign (for example, by apologizing publicly for Paul's supporters trying to take over some state republican organizations)?

    No, no, you are more than happy to know that he did not "fully" endorse Romney? You are satisfied to consume what you are served. Is that the level of critical thinking and attitude that the Ron Paul supporters should demonstrate? The "salt of the earth", as Tom Woods said? Seems to me more like an ordinary hero worshiping and irrational cultish devotion to a man, irrespective of what he is doing..

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    1. Ivan the angry, the reason we don't have this irrational hatred for Ron Paul like you is because we have respect for a man who has created more libertarians than anyone else in history. I'm a Rothbardian so I don't agree with everything Ron Paul does or says, but if it wasn't for that great man I would still be a dumb ass liberal.

      When you wake up millions of people around the world to libertarianism then you get the benefit of the doubt in my book. Rand, Benton, Tate, etc. haven't done anything to expand the base and they don't get cut any slack because of it.

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    2. At 49 seconds in that clip, Paul says explicitly: "I haven't endorsed the ticket." At 1:42, he says "I'm not intending on endorsing anybody". It was a classic interview. The man is nothing but integrity.

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    3. Dan, please give me a break. I thought you, the Ron Paul worshipers, had a higher opinion about your idol, that you would treat him as a grown-up person responsible for his actions (or the lack thereof). You want to tell me that Ron does not have a clue about what his son, Tate, Benton and all other creeps are doing? That he is not responsible for the abysmal failure of his campaign and for an open subversion of it made by Benton and others? That you really believe that Ron had not made a deal with Romney. C'mmon, don't be so naive. Don't be fooled - look at the facts dispassionately - Ron knew and know everything, he supported Rand's endorsement on his Facebook page, he continue supporting all other creeps and keeps distancing himself from the Mises-Lew Rockwell people.

      I am not saying that Ron Paul had not done heroic things for the cause of liberty over the decades. Nobody could and should deny that to him. I am only saying that, unfortunately, he sold out NOW, in order to secure the political future of his son in the GOP.

      I don't give a damn (and you should not either, if you are serious) about that adolescent nonsense of "educating" and "inspiring" the people. He is a politician who should fight to be the president and shake up the Washington DC machine and finally DO something, instead of talking. He is not an "educator" of the youth, but a political revolutionary. If he wants to "inspire" and "educate" the college kids he should do so, and stop pretending to be a leader of some political revolution. He is in the business of winning the elections. If he fails, he is a failure.

      Please, look carefully at this interview by Penny Freeman, his former chief of staff:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX4DdfSGiFs

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    4. Dan:

      What changed your mind? You would say Ron Paul but how? What was it he said? I would be interested in hearing about your change.

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    5. Sorry all, but Ivan is absolutely correct. Wenzel had a post just yesterday in which it was made clear that Ron himself was colluding with Romney in the debates. It seemed pretty well ignored. Even Wenzel refused to make the connection and still insists it's Benton that's the bad guy. Benton is not the bad guy. Benton was not the one debating Romney with the gloves on and one hand behind his back.

      It's very sad to see everyone refusing to see what's become plain. Ron Paul sold out and defrauded his supporters. When the man send emails asking for money because we can win this thing, blah, blah, blah, and at the very same time is in talks with Romney in which, for whatever reason, he ends up treating Romney better than the other debaters, he is defrauding his supporters. It was two-faced. It was despicable. And most people just won't see it. If anything, Ron is worse than his son, since Ron still insists on playing the part of the purist who refuses to compromise in order to sucker people out of their money, while he makes nice with Romney being the scenes.

      What's becoming clear is that Ron Paul supporters are no different than Mitt Romney supporters: "My guy would NEVER lie to me! He loves me! Or, even if he did, he must have had a good reason."

      I find it very discouraging, and perhaps telling, that so many people who believe society can be organized with common law contract and fraud enforcement refuse to see the fraud that has been perpetuated on them. Grow up and give Paul the ignominious exit he has earned.

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    6. Mike, I first heard about Ron Paul in late 2006 or early 2007. At the time I held very liberal beliefs, but because of the actions of the Bush regime I was becoming more radical in my distrust of the government. I believed the republicans were evil, but I also still felt that if the democrats could regain control we could get the country back on the right track. I still vividly remember having a conversation in 2006, before I heard of Ron Paul, discussing how good a president either H. Clinton or Obama would be.

      So this was my mindset when one of my best friends told me I should check out Ron Paul. He had grown up a republican but had the same distrust of Bush, so I couldn't understand how he could fall for the republicans again. I remember sitting in my living room mocking him while he watched video after video of Paul. He had his headphones on so I didn't hear what Paul was saying, and I just assumed my friend was being tricked into supporting another typical republican.

      Anyways, I first looked into Ron Paul with the intent to show my friend why he was wrong to get behind this man. But when I listened to what Ron Paul had to say it blew my mind. I had never heard a politician talk this way before. I was always very anti-war and I believed he was the real deal when it came to that issue.

      I still didn't believe his economic views, being the brain dead liberal I was, but the message of peace was more important to me. So I got behind Ron Paul even though I wasn't sold on his entire message. I told my dad one time that if you could just combine Bill Clinton's economics and Ron Paul's anti-war, pro civil liberties message then you would have the perfect candidate. The thought makes me want to vomit now.

      Now, the reason I came around on his economic views was because I couldn't understand how he could be so good on the areas we agreed on and be so bad on economics. I thought he was a very genuine and honest person, so I wanted to understand why he held these views I disagreed with him on. So I started going to mises.org to research is beliefs on economics. The first video I watched was Walter Block debating some guy over the minimum wage law. The logic of Walter Block's position was overwhelming, and I immediately got pissed off because I didn't think of it myself and was never taught that side of the story in school.

      The exact moment that really set me on the path to becoming a Rothbardian was in Oct. 2008. Ron Paul did an interview on MSNBC where they railed on him for his views on Lincoln. Paul kept recommending a book called The Real Lincoln by Thomas Dilorenzo. I immediately went online and bought it. I read the book in two days and from there starting devouring everything the Austrians had to offer.

      Since then I have been able to convince every single one of my friends and family that I stay in regular contact with, except for one neocon brother, to become libertarians. The neocon brother seems to be a lost cause, but everybody else is either Rothbardian or minarchists. Given enough time I'll have them all Rothbardians.

      So there's my long winded answer to your question. It probably comes off as rambling but I don't have the time to reread what I wrote and polish it up. Hopefully, it gives you an idea of how much I owe to Dr. Ron Paul. Without him I would be lost in the woods. He has done the same for millions of people around the world, and this is why I find people like Ivan so distasteful. They keeping talking about how his political campaign was ran, and I keep talking about how effective he has been at spreading the message. I don't give a crap about politics. I just see Ron Paul as the Michael Jordan of spreading the message, and anybody who wants to kick that man off the team is completely off their rockers, in my opinion.

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  13. to be fair, Rand can't spend all night yapping with blitzer, he's got years of brownnosing on the likes of romney, ryan and rubio to catch up on.
    (nice for you and your boys and girls in the MSM to remember Ron, wolf)

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  14. What needs to be appreciated here is that Rand, Jesse Benton, and other similar figures, who have been on the receiving end of much criticism from this web site of late, have a different strategic and tactical perspective regarding the future of the libertarian movement.

    With the rise of the Tea Party and the Ron Paul movement, libertarianism seems to be on the upswing in the party, and many a pundit has said this trend will continue for some time.Moreover, not all of us believe the Republican party is inherently "evil", or that electoral politics is a waste of time.

    Some us believe also that the Republican party is the best vehicle for advancing the libertarian movement and that, as opposed to unending conflict with the party establishment, you need to focus on persuasion internally within the party.

    And finally some of us see a party in transition, a party that is coming to terms with the many failures of the Bush years and the neoconservative ideology that has dominated the party since at least 9/11 (and probably traces to Reagan and the Cold War).

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  15. I feel for Rand, it must be killin him to keep quiet on certain things. Yeah, yeah, Rand's a sell-out, blah,blah....He's GOT TO play by their rules for a little while. I'll tell you one thing, I'd rather have HIM in there than some hardcore neocon or socialist nut who blindly leads this country into the abyss.

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  16. People expect Rand to be Mr. "Tea Party Goes to Washington to Upend the Establishment." That was a campaign. That was to win an election. Rand's on the inside now, he's building his political capital and he has tackled several controversial matters that deviate wildly from the establishmentarian Republicans. Taking cheap-shots at them, whilst great for generating huzzahs from the true believers, will not do much to advance his political career or agenda nor appease the constituents he needs to get re-elected.

    People need to stop thinking of Rand as being in the mold of his father- he's not. His dad's aim in politics has always been of a mostly educational/promotional endeavour for libertarian ideals off the back of his solid, stoic principles. Rand's a politico with different aims and only a vaguely similar ideology- holding him to his dad's standard is inaccurate and silly. Once you look at Rand as just another politician and not the leader of an ideological movement like his father, you start to understand why he does the things he does and you also appreciate just how much better a politician he is compared with his peers.

    Nevertheless, he's still a politician. So don't feign surprise when he acts like one- I'm particularly looking at you, AnCaps!

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  17. Romney is now officially the nominee. And all of your yapping about Ron Paul didn't amount to a hill of beans. If you had any class at all you would go hide in the desert.

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    1. Oh, I certainly will be hiding in the desert on November 6.

      Let's see where that gets you butt boy Romney when Obama wins.

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  18. Ever stop and think maybe Rand is playing " I keep my friends close but I keep my Enemy's closer " ? Meaning I will play along until I get what I want then Bang..Its my show now. And to the anonymous Dope above me preaching class, how about a little respect no one cares what you think. As a citizen who lives in Massachusetts under Governor Romney at the time, the man is as fake as the current stooge in high office, he will play the status quo and add to his $$millions$$ 100 fold, all the while you get to choose what trash can to pick your breakfast from.

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  19. The GOP is completely invalidated, and the trash can lid has been taken off, so you can look inside and see all the filth and corruption that is in there. Thank you Mitt, for this last straw you and your cronies laid on the camel of liberty's back. Rand thinks that the liberty minded people will be multiplying in the GOP? I doubt that! I think he may be trampled on their way out the door! It stinks to high heaven in there!

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  20. Really, how much does Rand have to gain? Won't your average GOP voter always distrust/dislike/hate someone with the last name of Paul? I know they aren't the brightest bulbs but the GOP has really demonized Ron.

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  21. I'm not a fan of Rand myself; however, for what it is worth, I found this comment over at The Daily Paul [my bold emphasis, not counting the title]:

    I gave you guys WAY too much credit...
    Submitted by thedizzle on Wed, 08/29/2012 - 10:53. Permalink
    I actually thought most of you all were intelligent enough to see through political tactics and reveal to yourselves the true motives of not just our enemies, but our heroes as well. If you truly understand the concept of liberty, there's no deviating from it. This statement most certainly applies to Rand Paul. I know what he's doing... And after spending this weekend in Tampa with the Paul family and talking to them one on one, I feel more vindicated than ever when I say to you that Rand is completely in tune with his father's teachings. Are you all ignoring what we're up against? Stealth is the only option.

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  22. I will agree Paul did leave his delegates out to dry after encouraging them to keep fighting and maximize their numbers. If I had gone to all the trouble of becoming a delegate, which I didn't, I would be a pinch upset also

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  23. "I think they set Rand up. They probably sent some hot chick in and he cheated on his wife with her. Something like this has to be the case."

    The same happened with Marc Sanford.

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  24. This whole event was despicable. Two months ago it became clear to me that both benton and rand were only interested in ruining Dr. Paul's campaign to further their careers. Well, they distinguished themselves as the kinds of sellouts Dr. Paul's supporters are against, simple as that. You can make all the excuses you want, but the tragedy is the Doctor made the mistake of nepotism instead of going with genuine professionals. Those of us who have been paying attention have walked away with a lesson; an expensive, ugly lesson, but a lesson, just the same. NEVER AGAIN will we be taken in by this kind of travesty. A worm cannot help what it is.

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