A real galvainizer of the masses that Rand.
And Rand's association with Jesse Benton isn't helping. People don't forget what Jesse did. The Undercover-Porcupine writes :
This much is true, you have been lied to. Outrage has sparked nationally over the last couple months in reaction to Jesse Benton, chairman of the Ron Paul presidential campaign. He was seen as a traitor for selling out delegations, conceding defeat over the nomination to the establishment, and overall just being overly friendly with those who opposed the movement. He was weary of the grassroots, the Ron Paul movement’s signature strength, and what he saw as a fringe element. It became a divisive issue for a movement that holds much promise into the future. Following the campaign, Benton has further increased suspicion among supporters of Congressman Paul after he took up a job running the re-election campaign of Senator Mitch McConnell.
I like Rand - I like him alot. He's definitely one of the good guys. And I understand that in order for him to have more of a real concrete effect on the country than his father had, he *has* to make at least a passing effort to be friendly to the establishment.
ReplyDeleteBut I knew he was in New Hampshire, and I didn't go see him. It's not that I don't understand intellectually why he had to become a Romney surrogate, it's just that my heart isn't into it when he's talking for Romney, and it was my heart that made me work so hard to get Ron Paul elected.
If Rand runs in 2016 I'll be 100% behind him, as long as he cuts ties with the NeoCons, and I fully expect him to do so. But if he didn't at least attempt to be friendly to the establishment idiots this cycle, his campaign wouldn't even get off the ground in 2015, and that's the most important thing right now...
Wow, Bob in Boston, this sounds like Hope-and-Change thinking. To think that Rand Paul has the kind of intellectual integrity of his dad and is willing to bide his time for some greater long-range goal where he suddenly attracts mass appeal I think is a bit naive. People do not forget who lied to them; they do not forget betrayal. Will Rand be the lesser of 3 evils in 2016? Maybe. The prospect that he would be considered a lesser evil given what he pulled already sickens me.
DeleteOh, man, I've read some disingenuous posts in my life, but yours is a real cake-taker. You have so many ready-to-shred phrases, I mean that 2nd paragraph ends with one whopper of a non-sequitur, that, hell, I'm not even going to bother pulling one or two out for quotes.
DeleteThat's a damn funny read you put together there. Posting as "Bob in Boston", now that's just too down-home, too every-man.
If we get a poll together and guess either your real identity, OR who YOU work for behind the scenes, would you just come clean and admit who you really are? Come on, it's just us, eh?
Ken in Ridge-and-Valley PA
I have always suspected that Rand Paul has been working behind his father^s back with Benton.
ReplyDeleteIt explains the C4L endorsements of him and how I ended up on a Mitt Romney mailing list with no previous information given to any other political organization.
They are two traitorous peas in a pod.
ha ha
ReplyDelete99.9% of these people complaining about Ron Paul's staff--and dreaming up conspiracy theories--have no idea what they are talking about. Dr. Paul had the libertarian vote wrapped up---what he needed and what you couldn't understand, is that he had to bring this message to normal Republicans, gasp, in a Republican primary (yep, likely Republican voters). You guys were running around with Super Brochures (possibly a scam)--something that anyone in marketing would explain as almost 100% ineffective despite all of the anecdotal stories. Sigh...
ReplyDeleteAre you "Bob in Boston"'s brother, or what?
DeleteI mean, two posts on the same article in the same word styling?
(Loved the hit on "conspiracy theorists"-well, actually, go to Hades with that one, too).
Still in one of the Ridge and Valleys...
Absolute b.s. They did a terrible job packaging Ron for regular GOP'ers. They made zero attempt to explain his foreign policy. Absolutely zero. It isn't that we extremists don't understand how politics works, you have to reach the voters where they are, etc. We are saying the staff did a lousy job of that.
DeleteAnd please, no one with a brain who knows Jesse Benton has anything but contempt for this low-IQ neanderthal.
Dr. Paul had at least 500 just from what the camera panned in Utah recently not counting the whole area and he is not running.
ReplyDeleteGO DR. RON PAUL!!!!!
I wonder if Rand appreciates how much his Romney endorsement, and the related perception that he isn't a "hardcore" libertarian (like his father), has hurt his political brand. Maybe he has earned a few brownie points with Romney and the Republican political establishment, but, at the grassroots level, with all his efforts to appear "nonthreatening" and "reasonable" to the GOP establishment, Rand making himself into a boring figure--and that may be a generous assessment. I don't think though it is too late to turn things around.
ReplyDeleteThats right republicans, shut your ears to heretical optiona, just stick with the fucked over old nostrums and boilerplate that the leadership in DC offers because they knows the ways round the corridors of power and only they can toss the democrats out or off or something.
DeleteI agree 100% with the comment about Super Brochures. If someone wanted to support the Ron Paul campaign then the best way to do that would be to simply donate to it directly. If RP thinks Super Brochures are a good investment then he'd buy them himself. Otherwise the premise is that somehow the donors know better than RP in how to spend campaign dollars himself. The only way that would make any sense would be in the case of people who had maxed out in terms of direct contributions to the campaign. My sense of it is that that's not the case for 95% of the people who were buying those stupid things. The whole think stunk, like a coordinated effort to direct money away from the campaign and waste it on an ineffectual gimmick.
DeleteTHIS IS THE GREATEST THING I HAVE READ THIS WEEKEND. AND THERE I WAS THINKING IT WAS A WASTE.
ReplyDeleteI donated to Rand's campaign hoping that he'd be a political reincarnation of Ron. I live in Durham NH but the only reason I considered attending this event was so that I could sit in the back and yell "Traitor!" until they threw me out.
ReplyDeleteAnd we would have thanked you for your patriotic service.
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