Friday, June 7, 2013

EPJ a Source for Stratfor on Kissinger Meeting with Chinese

A link to this picture along with a link to an EPJ post was part of a Stratfor email discussion.

There are a lot of interesting people surfing the pages of EPJ, including the secretive private intelligence agency Stratfor. I have written before about Stratfor:
In early 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing over 5 million Stratfor email messages.  According to Global Intelligence Files, Stratfor is.
 a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor's web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods.
Barron's once referred to Stratfor as "The Shadow CIA."  Amy Goodman, writing in the Guardian, referred to the first published leaks of Stratfor material as peering into the "intelligence-industrial complex.

In doing some research in the Wikileaks/Strator emails on a different topic, I came across this Stratfor email, which references EPJ as a source (my highlights)

Email-ID 994259
Date 2010-10-20 05:07:48
Also you can see a picture here

and these notes
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates participates in the U.S. and China
Track Two discussions with Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger,
Former Secretary of State George Shultz, Former Secretary of Treasury
Robert Rubin, Former Secretary of Defense William Perry, Former State
Councilor for the People's Republic of China Tang Jiaxuan and other
members of their delegations in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 18, 2010. The
discussions are part of a two-day dialogue to help improve U.S.-China
relations. DoD photo by Cherie Cullen. (Released)

and from this blog though cant track source
Tuesday is a serious day for Treasury Secretary Geithner.

In the morning, Geithner has one on one face time with the President.

In the afternoon, the Secretary will meet with, according to Treasury, "a
high level group of distinguished Americans and Chinese to discuss
bilateral economic relations. Participants include former Chinese State
Councilor Tang Jiaxuan and Ambassador Yang Wenchang, President of the
Chinese People's Institute of Foreign Affairs, and former U.S. Cabinet
members [Former Secretary of Stat]e Henry Kissinger, [Former Treasury
Secretary] Robert Rubin, [Former Defense Secretary] William Perry, [Former
Secretary of Labor, State and Treasury] George Schultz and [Housing and
Urban Development Secretary] Carla Hills."

On 10/19/10 9:48 PM, Michael Wilson wrote:

There was a follow up part in the briefing

QUESTION: Okay. Just a quick - I'm sorry, just a sort of remedial
question, and I apologize if you went over it on Friday, but a little
bit more detail on this Track Two dialogue, how often it --

MR. CROWLEY: Which one?

QUESTION: The China one.

MR. CROWLEY: China, okay.

QUESTION: How often it meets. Does the Treasury Secretary always address
them? Does the Defense Secretary always address them?

MR. CROWLEY: That's a very good question. This is - I think the
Kissinger associates have put together this dialogue. I believe the
first one was held in 2009.

QUESTION: So you don't know if the Treasury Secretary has addressed them
last year, for instance?

MR. CROWLEY: Well, I think the - last year, the meeting was held in

QUESTION: Okay. So it would be the finance minister, then?

MR. CROWLEY: Right, so it might have been their senior officials that
we're addressing. Obviously, this year, they're in Washington, so the
opportunity for U.S. officials to address them.

QUESTION: And is the name list public or private, who is participating
in it?

MR. CROWLEY: Well, the dialogue is led by, as I mentioned, former State
Councilor Tang Jiaxuan.

QUESTION: But I mean, are there other members? I mean, you don't have to
read down the names, but is that something that can be --

MR. CROWLEY: I defer - on the composition of the dialogue, I'd probably
defer it to Dr. Kissinger's office.

On 10/19/10 9:45 PM, Matt Gertken wrote:

And one more blurb. Looks like it ended today (Tuesday), so now just
watch for leaks or talk about what came out of it.

Crowley: But to business. The Secretary is currently having lunch with
Dr. Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State, and also former State
Councilor Tang Jiaxuan, who are co-hosting the U.S.-China Track Two
Dialogue, an ongoing dialogue of non-official channels. And I think
later on this afternoon and tomorrow the group will also be hearing
from Secretary Gates and Secretary Geithner. But the group, over the
course of a couple of days, will be reviewing the current state of our
strategic relationship with China, but they'll also talk about and
consider specific issues from climate change to Asia Pacific security
cooperation to economic and financial issues.

Will watch out for it.
They love the big Kiss over here, when he dies I hear they want to
put him next to Mao.


From: "Matt Gertken" <>
To: "Analyst List" <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:38:53 AM
Subject: Kissinger, Geithner and the Chinese

I heard on CNBC tonight that Geithner was joined by Henry
for closed-door talks with Chinese officials in a hotel today, I
they said in NY... Geithner was in California yesterday so by no
impossible. Kissinger has played a role in negotiating with the
over the past year just as he has with the Russians.

They were purportedly talking about the yuan issue ahead of the G20
finance ministers meeting this weekend, and the US attempt to
develop a
multilateral approach to global currency to be presented at the G20
leaders' meeting Nov 11.

I haven't seen this reported anywhere else, just did a quick search
came up with nothing. We'll have to watch for any more info on this


Chris Farnham
Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR
China Mobile: (86) 1581 1579142

Matt Gertken
Asia Pacific analyst
office: 512.744.4085
cell: 512.547.0868

Michael Wilson
Senior Watch Officer, STRATFOR
Office: (512) 744 4300 ex. 4112

For the record, as I reported, I obtained the information straight from the Treasury. I have no idea why no other media outlet reported the news, but it obviously  was of interest to Stratfor.

1 comment:

  1. "They love the big Kiss over here, when he dies I hear they want to
    put him next to Mao."

    Actually, they are going to replace Mao with him. Figure no one will notice the switch, and after all they have so much in common...