The wall will save local communities millions with the illegal alien problem. But like you, Stockman (like RW) does not have to live with the poop he advocates. He is good on a number of issues, but no this one.
What an incredibly superficial and repetitive creature is that Maria Bartiromo. Stockman says 'End the war on drugs' and she goes ahead and asks 'but then how are we're going to get the drug dealers?' Oh, my effing gawd, the woman is a jacka$s.
I got a great way to eliminate whatever cost people think illegal immigrants are imposing: just eliminate all public welfare subsidies and institutions. Get this: it actually saves us all money - at least those who have to pay taxes now! What a deal!
Since this will actually save everyone money every year, Lab Manager can just imagine that the immigrants that don't come to take advantage of Uncle Sam (lol) are actually *paying* him to stay away. It's a win win really.
--- I got a great way to eliminate whatever cost people think illegal immigrants are imposing: just eliminate all public welfare subsidies and institutions. ---
You won't find anybody here not agreeing with this. The government shouldn't be in the business of doling out charity. Even so you will find that Trumpistas, Nativists and the token white supremacist who dreams of blowing white European male schlong (e.g. The Lab Manager - I wish I was kidding) will find plenty of other excuses to justify limiting other people's right to freely-associate with immigrants, like the (now classic) "Them Immigruntz Takum Er Jebz!"
Nevertheless, even the justification to limit immigration, based on the existence of the Welfare State, is an example of a red herring, what I normally call the "See, this is why we can't have nice things" fallacy. Even if some immigrants receive some sort of assistance, the labor they offer more than outweighs any possible 'assistance' the government may offer. Anti-immigrant zealots conveniently forget that the highest recipients of government charity or assistance in the U.S. and in most places in the world are also the LEAST productive, and that they are not immigrants - they're the elderly, possibly the richest among us. They conveniently forget that labor is productive and that immigrant labor helps release the more productive America-born labor for more profitable endeavors.
@fransisco Yeah, I get that. I also dont think it helps to make online discussions anything but civil...just saying.
The nationalists and private property society supporters have this in common: both groups want interference with the right to free association and trade to stop. PPS folks are vocal about the advantage to being able to freely socialize, hire and contract with certain people. Nationalists are vocal about the advatage of diassociating with people that make life worse - of course PPS see the advantage of both sides.
Maybe the nationalists just need to be shown clearly that the PPS want to help them in their disassociation goals...just like we dont want to be forced to associate with many of them and their tax financied make work projects.
You could point out of the top 7 states with the largest percentage of the population on food stamps are states with little immigrants. States like Mississippi # 2, West Virginia # 4 and Tennessee # 6 and Louisania # 7.
I live in a border state. Those of us who do know how extensive the cartels' use of tunnels under existing walls have been for the past 15 years. All this will accomplish is to force immigrants to hire cartels to let them through and boost human-trafficking as an additional income source for the cartels.
Look up border tunnells. The wall is absolutely a proven waste of money to stop drugs, and a proven way to harm innocent nonviolent immigrants who want to work.
The wall will save local communities millions with the illegal alien problem. But like you, Stockman (like RW) does not have to live with the poop he advocates. He is good on a number of issues, but no this one.
ReplyDeleteRe: He-Who-Fantasizes-About-White-European-Males
Delete--- The wall will save local communities millions with the illegal alien problem.---
What are you talking about? The wall will only serve as a monument to Trump's and his followers' folly.
Torres, you can always go to Haiti or Africa to fulfill your cuck love for black you know what.
DeleteThese people do impose a local cost and to deny just shows your stupidity as well. Being illegal, they don't pay the taxes others do.
Wall construction: 3 bn.
ReplyDeleteAmount they take from the taxpayer: 12 bn
Savings: 9 bn
--- Amount they [???] take from the taxpayer: 12 bn ---
DeleteWhat? Liar.
--- Wall construction: 3 bn. ---
DeleteThree billi... What? Gawd-Damned Liar!
What an incredibly superficial and repetitive creature is that Maria Bartiromo. Stockman says 'End the war on drugs' and she goes ahead and asks 'but then how are we're going to get the drug dealers?' Oh, my effing gawd, the woman is a jacka$s.
ReplyDeleteVery telling though, especially given that drug prohibition was implemented largely to create a legal pretext to persecute certain classes of people.
DeleteDont forget the largest reason of all profit from the persecution of those classes
DeleteI got a great way to eliminate whatever cost people think illegal immigrants are imposing: just eliminate all public welfare subsidies and institutions. Get this: it actually saves us all money - at least those who have to pay taxes now! What a deal!
ReplyDeleteSince this will actually save everyone money every year, Lab Manager can just imagine that the immigrants that don't come to take advantage of Uncle Sam (lol) are actually *paying* him to stay away. It's a win win really.
Re: Randy Rosales,
Delete--- I got a great way to eliminate whatever cost people think illegal immigrants are imposing: just eliminate all public welfare subsidies and institutions. ---
You won't find anybody here not agreeing with this. The government shouldn't be in the business of doling out charity. Even so you will find that Trumpistas, Nativists and the token white supremacist who dreams of blowing white European male schlong (e.g. The Lab Manager - I wish I was kidding) will find plenty of other excuses to justify limiting other people's right to freely-associate with immigrants, like the (now classic) "Them Immigruntz Takum Er Jebz!"
Nevertheless, even the justification to limit immigration, based on the existence of the Welfare State, is an example of a red herring, what I normally call the "See, this is why we can't have nice things" fallacy. Even if some immigrants receive some sort of assistance, the labor they offer more than outweighs any possible 'assistance' the government may offer. Anti-immigrant zealots conveniently forget that the highest recipients of government charity or assistance in the U.S. and in most places in the world are also the LEAST productive, and that they are not immigrants - they're the elderly, possibly the richest among us. They conveniently forget that labor is productive and that immigrant labor helps release the more productive America-born labor for more profitable endeavors.
Do you think importing a hundred million from the 3rd world makes that more achievable or less?
DeletePlease show me where you got that there are 100MM immigrants living in the US (legal and illegal) and then maybe we can discuss your points more.
Delete@fransisco Yeah, I get that. I also dont think it helps to make online discussions anything but civil...just saying.
DeleteThe nationalists and private property society supporters have this in common: both groups want interference with the right to free association and trade to stop. PPS folks are vocal about the advantage to being able to freely socialize, hire and contract with certain people. Nationalists are vocal about the advatage of diassociating with people that make life worse - of course PPS see the advantage of both sides.
Maybe the nationalists just need to be shown clearly that the PPS want to help them in their disassociation goals...just like we dont want to be forced to associate with many of them and their tax financied make work projects.
@PH
DeleteWhite Americans had 200+ years to get rid of the state, but they only made it orders of magnitude larger.
Your eugenic experiment failed. Time to try freedom.
Francisco
ReplyDeleteYou could point out of the top 7 states with the largest percentage of the population on food stamps are states with little immigrants. States like Mississippi # 2, West Virginia # 4 and Tennessee # 6 and Louisania # 7.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/
West Virginia in particular has the lowest percentage of Hispanic immigrants in the nation.
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2016/05/the_alt-rights.html
I live in a border state. Those of us who do know how extensive the cartels' use of tunnels under existing walls have been for the past 15 years. All this will accomplish is to force immigrants to hire cartels to let them through and boost human-trafficking as an additional income source for the cartels.
ReplyDeleteLook up border tunnells. The wall is absolutely a proven waste of money to stop drugs, and a proven way to harm innocent nonviolent immigrants who want to work.