Tuesday, October 23, 2018

More Cheap Labor Headed to the United States


A second caravan of South Americans is headed to the United States.

This caravan is around 200 miles behind the first, and around 1,300 miles from the nearest US border crossing, located in McAllen, Texas, reports the Daily Mail.

Awesome, maybe the price of wages for new immigrants will fall enough that I might hire a couple to do daily errands, and thus raise my personal standard of living.

-RW 




34 comments:

  1. The photo shows three or four of the migrants holding up the flag of Honduras. That seems a little strange. If they are so proud of Honduras that they would carry around a full sized flag why are they migrating away from it?

    Better the pride that resides
    In a citizen of the world
    Than the pride that divides
    When a colourful rag is unfurled
    Rush – Territories

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    1. Plenty of Irish Americans have Irish flags and cloverleafs everywhere. Strange. If they are so proud of Ireland why would they carry around Irish flags while not living in Ireland? Why don't they move back?

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    2. Re: Alex Zougle,

      ── If they are so proud of Honduras that they would carry around a full sized flag why are they migrating away from it? ──

      Why did so many Swedes, or Germans, or Chinese, or Vietnamese? Nevertheless, can you make the claim they must *hate* Sweden, Germany, China or Vietnam as justification for migrating to the US?

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    3. The cloverleaf I can understand more so than a state flag. My understanding is that to the Irish the shamrock became special because St. Patrick is said to have used it as a symbol of the Holy Trinity.

      I also can understand that a lot of people consider the flag of their country more a symbol of their culture and the people rather than the government. Maybe some Irish and Hondurans, Swedes, Germans, Chinese, Vietnamese, etcetera love their home culture and people but hate their governments and the conditions it has caused. But isn’t the government reflective of the people. Look at the USA. Its government has become more and more socialist as a reflection of what its citizens are. Are not the people and their culture responsible for their social conditions?

      Also, no matter how much you love the culture and people of your country it is still a little strange to be flying its flag while you are fleeing it. Isn’t that more like the act of invaders? Go ahead and set up your Little Italy’s and China Towns and preserve some of your traditions, food and culture. I still say Neil Peart got it right.

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    4. Re: Alex Zougle,
      ── Look at the USA. Its government has become more and more socialist as a reflection of what its citizens are. Are not the people and their culture responsible for their social conditions? ──

      Would that help explain D.J.T.?

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    5. Let me get this straight: For you, the whole issue boils down to which flag ("colorful rag") they worship? God help us.
      ---David A.

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    6. Francisco, IMO yes this would help explain Trump.

      David A, I am not trying to boil down an issue. I am pointing out the fact that some migrants are holding up the flag of the country they are leaving and my opinion that this is strange behavior if these migrants are economic or political refugees. I am also saying that no matter what the motivation behind waving a state flag the world would be better off without it.

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    7. Re: Alex Zougle,

      ── I am pointing out the fact that some migrants are holding up the flag of the country they are leaving and my opinion that this is strange behavior if these migrants are economic or political refugees. ──

      Perhaps they're not given to blaming the country for a situation that's mostly caused by the government. And as far as I know, a government doesn't have justification nor reason to construe itself as "the country". Am I not correct? Therefore, it is not an inconsistency to want to migrate while at the same time show appreciation for the country that saw the person being born.

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    8. Francisco, I get it. As I said above, “I also can understand that a lot of people consider the flag of their country more a symbol of their culture and the people rather than the government.” But as I also said, “no matter what the motivation behind waving a state flag the world would be better off without it.”

      Enjoy:
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  2. You do realize that the Cheeto in Chief will cave and let everyone in. His great campaign promise will be smoke and mirrors like the rest of it

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  3. "wesome, maybe the price of wages for new immigrants will fall enough that I might hire a couple to do daily errands, and thus raise my personal standard of living."

    Yeah, we desperately need lower wages so we can a turd poop hole. People like you RW who really want this trash coming over deserve to get an incurable disease by them or beaten to death by them. You are just as awful as leftist and not an American with a life I would care to defend. Besides, you can't find any derelict homeless there to run errands for you?

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    1. Re: The Lab Manager,
      ── Yeah, we desperately need lower wages so we can a turd poop hole.──

      Leaving aside for a while your hatred of people who don't look like you, the question becomes why wouldn't you want businesses and entrepreneurs to have access to a pool of lower-cost labor? Labor is a cost, and like any other costs, a businessperson worth his or her salt will want to lower it as much as possible. Of course, at a given point, the disutility of work is great enough that a businessperson will not be able to negotiate a wage further down, while at the same time the utility of a SPECIFIC job will not warrant a higher wage. This means: NO, AMERICANS WILL NOT DO CERTAIN JOBS AT CURRENT MARKET WAGES and NO, BUSINESSES WILL NOT OFFER HIGHER WAGES FOR THOSE JOBS, no matter how much you wish them to or admonish them for not doing it or how much you accuse them of being unpatriotic. The Market is demanding cheaper labor from other places and, whether YOU like it or not, the Market WINS, all the time. Prohibitions, history has shown, do NOT work.

      ── You are just as awful as leftist ──

      It takes some gall to accuse someone of leftism when that someone is consistently defending free markets (not a particularly leftist thing) when at the same time you defend what is in essence a policy of centrally-controlled economic decisions, i.e. a restrictionist immigration policy based on political considerations rather than economic.

      ── Besides, you can't find any derelict homeless there to run errands for you? ──

      What if he doesn't want to give the job to a homeless derelict? What business is it of yours to whom Robert gives his business? That is at the same level of butting-in the Democrats were criticized for only a few election cycles ago.

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    2. He would have to pay those derelict homeless people the SF minimum wage because they are likely US citizens and thus they aren't allowed to bid their labor any lower. All laws in the USA are selectively enforced and often on the macro level to achieve some (typically leftist) political goal. It is a political manipulation to have the borders open while having the existing structure of government intervention into the economy.

      Someone or some group must be funding this migration of people on their trek of a couple three thousand miles through the length of Mexico. The logistics of such a march should be obvious to anyone who has studied history and what it takes to move thousands of people on foot long distances. Those resources have to be coming from somewhere and likely are coming from those who benefit from this political manipulation.

      If it wasn't for the vast array of socialized infrastructure, services, and welfare programs and these people had to compete in a free market far far fewer would show up. And even the welfare denied to immigrants plays a role because it keeps americans they would otherwise compete with out of the job market.

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    3. Yes Torres. I know libertardians like you and others desire more people who poop in the street and bring filth and ignorance which we already have a lot of anyway thanks to government funding. Yes, I consider people who need to go back and make their country great. Why is the USA a dumping ground for sub-humans? And why do libertardians desire this so much?

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    4. I would trade Lab Manager for any illiterate goat herder any day. I know how to teach people to read and goat ribs are tastey.

      Lab Manager, on the other hand, is clearly a deranged and violent sociopath waving a gun in the faces of innocent people while shouting some incoherent nonsense about poop, and my guess is that he's a fatass pussy playing tough guy. Come swing by Oakland princess, and I'll introduce you to some immigrants and you explain your fascinating ideas to them.

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    5. Re: Jimmy Joe Meeker,

      ── It is a political manipulation to have the borders open while having the existing structure of government intervention into the economy. ──

      I have yet to fathom the reason why but there's this lingering thinking that the southern border is 'open', especially prevalent among Republicans and DJT supporters with not a shred of evidence except a series of equivocations and misinterpretations. The fact that a lot of people resort to smuggling themselves in is prima facie proof that the border is not open.

      ── Someone or some group must be funding this migration of people on their trek of a couple three thousand miles through the length of Mexico. ──

      Perhaps. And, quite irrelevant.

      ── If it wasn't for the vast array of socialized infrastructure, services, and welfare programs and these people had to compete in a free market far far fewer would show up. ──

      That's not correct at all. You keep making the same mistake many commit, which is to lump labor together. You may think you're not, but you are. The fact is that there are activities that are not as sensitive to artificial price changes as other activities, be it picking strawberries under a hot sun compared to flipping burgers in an air-conditioned kitchen. Even if this Nirvana you imagine was put in place where a completely free market of labor existed, you would still see immigration, very likely in MUCH higher numbers than today precisely because Supply, many times, creates its own Demand.

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    6. "Lab Manager, on the other hand, is clearly a deranged and violent sociopath waving a gun in the faces of innocent people while shouting some incoherent nonsense about poop, and my guess is that he's a fatass pussy playing tough guy."

      I don't see you moving to Africa or one of the Central American poop holes anytime soon. You are another libertardian dumbass with no basis of reality. And for the record, I'm skinnier than most of the caravan there. We certainly don't need any more fat mestiza females; plenty of those of all races here.

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    7. Re: The Lab Manager,

      ── Yes Torres. I know libertardians like you and others desire more people who poop in the street ──

      No one I know desire more people who poop in the street. You're merely being creative with your assumptions.

      ── Yes, I consider people who need to go back and make their country great. ──

      Why can't they come here and make *this* country great, instead? Your argument seems inconsistent. You call immigrants 'filth' yet you think they can make another country achieve greatness?

      And the USA is not a dumping ground for anything. People want to come to the US to offer their labor at a more profitable price. That's not the same as dumping.

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    8. I've worked alongside immigrants and I've worked alongside homegrown white boys. It's no mystery to me who works harder and who is tougher. Lab Manager is right to be afraid. He is going to be replaced. His self destructive wrath is sweet and pregnant with the presentiment of death. He's just a dinosaur barking at a comet. What a loser.

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    9. It's ok Donxon,I regard you as sub human. Enjoy your wife and daughter being assaulted by the vibrant 'duh-versity'.

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    10. We're actually considering moving to South America.

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    11. Re: The Lab Manager,

      ── It's ok Donxon,I regard you as sub human [sic] ──

      Are you going to start again, TLM? Have you not learned anything?

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    12. "We're actually considering moving to South America."

      Yeah, one of the whiter countries, right? Like the leftist who always threaten to move to Canada. You are not moving to a favela in Brazil.

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    13. Torres,
      The borders certainly aren't closed. They are somewhat ineffectively throttled. That's open. Maybe not WOT, but open none the less and very much political to have it the way it is with the domestic conditions the way they are as you well know.

      It is very relevant that someone is funding the trip. It makes the immigration artificial and likely part of someone's political agenda. Most likely a leftist one, hence your desire to shove it aside.

      Lumped all labor together? Only that in the net fewer people would be showing up if americans couldn't vote themselves other people's wealth. That's a lot of workforce coming on line and new comers would have to compete with it. Lowering their prices even further and making the trip less attractive.

      In a free market PPS the current wage level for picking strawberries after expenses of living in the USA wouldn't likely be worth the trip. Thus if there were to be more people attracted to such jobs here in the USA the compensation would need to increase. When it increases that attracts automation and maybe if enough those born here. Without welfare there would be more people born in the USA who may do it as well. In any case the entire economic equation changes when the distortions are removed.

      And if more were to show up because of 'demand' there would be no conflict in a free market PPS. The conflict is generated because of the distortions. Because it means taxpayers paying more because of the limited regulated markets only providing so much that needs doing. Because of the distortions.

      You claim to be libertarian but always put down the idea of removing the economic distortions and letting immigration fall where it would. Just another piece that shows your true bent.




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    14. Colombia. Flower business. I'm a chemist.

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    15. Re: Jimmy Joe Meeker,

      ── The borders certainly aren't closed. ──

      The fact that people resort to smuggling themselves in proves otherwise.

      ── Lumped all labor together? ──

      Yes. You keep committing that same fallacy, either purposefully or unwittingly.

      ── In a free market PPS the current wage level for picking strawberries after expenses of living in the USA wouldn't likely be worth the trip. ──

      What makes you think that a PPS America would me as expensive as non-PPS America? For starters, there would be no tariffs. So if picking strawberries at the current wage and considering current cost of living MAKES SENSE, then your contention is clearly wrong.

      ── You claim to be libertarian ──

      I don't claim. I am. And immigration is not an economic distortion per se, so I don't understand why it is a sine qua non to remove the distortions that do exist (from the government) before having immigration. Why wouldn't that also preclude everything else, like getting married or having babies or buying a new laptop or having a dog?

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  4. ── Awesome, maybe the price of wages for new immigrants will fall enough that I might hire a couple to do daily errands, and thus raise my personal standard of living. ──

    Well, the pool is too small to affect wages in any significant way, but we all know you're being slightly facetious *wink, wink*

    ── A second caravan of South Americans is headed to the United States.──

    Actually, the migrants are coming from Central America, mostly from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. South America is comprised of Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Guyana, etc.

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    1. Labor is not homogeneous, right? If there is an abundance of broom pushers, why bring more in?

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    2. Because I own a broom store and it's dirty.

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    3. Re: Brian,

      ── If there is an abundance of broom pushers, why bring more in? ──

      You prefer scarcity to abundance?

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  5. I would like see RW debate Vox Day on the immigration issue or Lewrockwell. You open border libertardians cheering this are pathetic. Enjoy the vibrants using the streets as an open restroom.

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    1. Re: The Lab Manager,
      ── I would like see RW debate Vox Day ──

      Would that be the same Vox Day that denies that the Law of Comparative Advantage is a real thing?

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    2. Vox is a pretty sharp guy. I'm sure he could make mince of meat of you and RW no problem on the immigration issue. Funny that you libertardians subscribe to questionable 19th century or earlier economic theories.

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    3. Since Vox Day is unlikely to participate in the comments of this blog maybe The Lab Manager can enlighten us as to why the theory of Comparative Advantage is questionable.

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