Saturday, December 29, 2012

An Ex-DEA Agent on the Importance of Storing Nickels and How to Do It

by David Hathaway

Are you doing due diligence with nickels? As many LRC readers know, nickels are the only real "money" being distributed by the U.S. Government at this point in time. The value of the metal in a nickel equals the fiat value assigned to it by the state. This cannot be said about the currently produced pennies, dimes, quarters, or half dollars and certainly cannot be said about the paper money or the even more insidious and plentiful computer digit money that we are forced to use. Nickels are uniformly marked, impractical to counterfeit, and easily recognizable for their metallic content (75% copper, 25% nickel).

So, is it really that easy to get real money in exchange for the worthless stuff floating around? Yes, it still is. You walk into a bank, hand the teller a 20-dollar bill, and walk out with 10 rolls of nickels. There is no dealer markup. There is no sales tax. There are no shipping fees. There is no capital gains tax or value added tax. It almost seems impossible in this day and age. It soon will be impossible. We are temporarily in an era with nickels that is analogous to the pre-1965 silver coinage period. Coin composition is slated to change during the 2013 fiscal year. So, what are the issues that would preclude a person from taking advantage of the inevitable increase in the value of nickels when compared to the fiat dollar? Well, there is one small issue and one slightly bigger issue. The small issue is obtaining the nickels and the bigger issue is storage. Both issues can be resolved fairly easily for most people. First, let’s look at the smaller issue.

You don’t want to shoot yourself in the foot when obtaining nickels; not to mention your fellow hard-money brethren who are doing the same thing. Don’t go into a bank and make a grandiose gesture by asking to speak to the branch manager and discussing the bulk acquisition of $1000 or $10,000 worth of nickels. I have read articles where people proudly describe the incredulous looks they get from the bank employees and the follow-up questions administered by the bank staff from such an action. These articles usually include a description of how they schooled the bank employees about how the customer was hoarding nickels as a hedge against inflation. Don’t have this conversation with the bank. You don’t want to be the source of new bank policy restricting the acquisition of coinage. Some banks may charge a percentage for obtaining coins but, most still don’t. With nickels it is still so easy.

You need to have a systematic outlook. What you do is always lay down a 20 dollar bill and ask for 20 dollars in nickels. No more. That’s all. Make this fit into your lunch break at work, your commute, your exercise routine, or your shopping routine. You can go to one, two, or three banks fairly quickly. Don’t get the coins using your debit card or a check. Keep it to a simple hand-to-hand cash transaction. You don’t want multiple computer entries showing up on your bank account at different bank branches 10 minutes apart. It looks like you are doing something. Banks look for patterns and they will ask more questions. You aren’t doing anything wrong but, once again, you don’t want to make waves. You want to be able to continue getting your nickels. Giving out $20 in coins is no big deal to a major bank but, retailers that get coinage regularly usually do have to pay extra for the privilege. Small account holders and even non-account holders are usually given "small" amounts of pre-rolled coinage in exchange for paper currency as a courtesy at no charge. You want to be in the small customer "courtesy" realm on this issue. Being in a slightly bigger town is a plus but, not essential. If you happen to be on a lengthier shopping trip or road trip, you can get $20 worth of nickels ten times fairly quickly at ten different banks. Remember, you don’t want to be responsible for the issuance of new restrictive policies within your local banking world. Banks talk to each other. They go to conferences. If only a few guys in a town of a million people are trying to get large quantities of nickels on each transaction, the word will get out and policies will change.

You won’t believe how quickly you acquire nickels at this rate. You quickly get in and out of the bank since you are not doing account-related transactions. You get 400 nickels each time you hand over a 20-dollar bill. The transaction usually takes less than a minute. If you do this twice every day on your lunch break, you will have nickels coming out of your ears. Don’t try to do it at a quicker rate. You will end up causing problems.

The second issue, which is really the point of this article, is the storage of your nickels. One of the first rules for obtaining and storing metal as a hedge against inflation is to take possession of the metal yourself and to not trust someone else to store it for you. A warehouse receipt can be next to worthless in a hyperinflationary environment and is subject to the same type of mishandling that has been seen in metal futures, ETFs, and other paper forms of metal. Nickels do present a challenge for storage but, the challenge is not insurmountable.

Green military style ammo cans are a very tempting solution. They have one serious drawback. They look valuable. That wall of ammo cans in your basement really looks like a stash of something worth stealing. The larger size (generically called .50 caliber ammo cans) are too heavy when filled with nickels. The smaller size is easier to handle. They weigh about 35 pounds when filled. They hold about 88 rolls. Each roll contains $2 face value of nickels. So, you are preserving about $176 face value of nickels in one ammo can. To get up into multiple thousands of dollars, you will have quite a wall of ammo cans. They get harder and harder to conceal. They won’t fit in a floor safe or that hollow brick like your gold coins do.

So, what’s the answer? After years of experimenting, I have found the perfect solution. Home Depot sells pre-cut 24-inch sections of thick walled 4-inch black ABS pipe. They also sell the 4 inch ABS end caps and ABS cement. This combination makes a perfect long-term burial solution. The ABS cement causes a reaction to occur that is the chemical equivalent of welding the plastic end caps on by chemically softening, melting, and then permanently binding the adjoining surfaces of the two plastic pipe fittings together. PVC pipe also works. The nickels will last for decades in pristine condition underground when stored in these pipes.

I had an occasion to dig up 10 pipes recently containing a total of 560 pounds of nickels that had been buried for three years. The store bar-code stickers hadn’t even come off the pipes yet. The pipes with the caps glued on with the ABS cement still looked brand new. Each of these pipes holds 122 rolls of nickels on average. The pipes weigh about 56 pounds when finished. I have found that drilling a tiny hole with a small drill bit aids with pushing on the final cap since the glue makes the caps airtight and the air pressure makes it hard to push the second cap on. The air relief hole allows the cap to slide on easily before the cement binds the parts together permanently. The small hole can then be filled with ABS cement to make the pipe watertight. To get the nickels out, you will have to cut the pipe open with a saw.

After preparing multiple pipes, dig a trench. It will look like you are installing a water line or a sewage pipe. The 24" X 4" inch black pipes look like sections of sewer line. You can rent a trencher to make the process quicker and to reduce prying eyes. I have found that even sensitive metal detectors cannot detect the pipes when they are more than 12 inches deep. To be on the safe side, you can make your trench 18 to 24 inches deep. Even if they are buried less deep, they have the metal detector signature of a buried water pipe and won’t look like an attractive target to unearth.

I will address one more point since I hear this all the time. How do you cash in the nickels for the metal value? You don’t in the short run. This is not a buy and turn over proposition. You don’t have to worry about the legalities of melting coins. People don’t have to melt down pre-1965 silver coins to get the metal value. There will always be a market for the actual metal value in the coin. You don’t have to melt down gold coinage to get the metal value. Some day, when the effects of massive inflation are more evident, you will have your hedge against inflation and you will be able to sell your coins for their metallic value as you need to. In the case of nickels, they won’t have to be assayed. They are marked and it is obvious what they are. Their metallic content is common knowledge. There is no down side with nickels. If nothing else, you have gotten your money out of computer digits and you are holding it in tangible form for the coming banking crisis. It just so happens that you got full value for yours in incorruptible metal form with a picture of one of the less offensive presidents stamped on the side.
December 29, 2012
David Hathaway is a former supervisory DEA Agent who homeschools his nine children. He enjoys writing about the injustices of the state. 

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  1. It always makes me smile when someone who used to work for The State becomes an advocate of liberty and points out the evils of his former occupation and employer.

  2. I asked my bank for $2000 and it was no problem. It took a few days to order them, but thats it.

  3. My credit union has a coin machine. They actually have to pay the FED to take back the big loose bag of coins. The bags are $300.00 and I get them....wait fot it....$298.00 as they still come out ahead. They come in these huge SUPER thick plastic bags. I get one about every 2 or 3 months.

  4. If the coin metal content is equal in price to the number on the coin, why 'nickels'? If one wants to exchange fiat for a lot of copper and nickel, and 75%Cu 25%Ni mix is one's choice, why not buy pure copper and pure nickel in industrial quantities and norms? Here is a one-stop shop for both:
    Here's sales contact in USA:
    Norilsk Nickel USA
    2 Penn Center West Suite 330
    Pittsburgh, PA 15276
    Tel. + 412 722 1120
    Fax + 412 722 1135

    It is not a problem to buy copper and nickel in any quantities, in pure commonly traded forms, without stupid questions and dealing with bank employees.

    1. "...why not buy pure copper and pure nickel in industrial quantities and norms?"

      "There is no dealer markup. There is no sales tax. There are no shipping fees. There is no capital gains tax or value added tax."

  5. You do realize there are hard currency controls, since 14 Dec 2006, and if you try to either melt or export either pennies or nickels then you can face draconian penalties including years in prison.

  6. The only reason I can see for saving in nickels instead of silver is if you believe silver is overpriced right now. Nickels are such a low individual denomination and I can't see how they would make for good barter if or when it came to that. They have two metals in them which makes it harder to extract and plus it costs more to extract than if one were to melt down silver coins if that's what they wanted to do. I guess if you believe that silver is not overpriced, than the only benefit to saving in nickels is that you don't have to pay a commission. I dunno. Just some thoughts if anyone cares to speak to them.

    1. US nickles are always of their original dollar cash value, whereas nickle or copper or silver ingots the are always hedged if your wrong....therefore if you are dead wrong on your speculation, and instead of currency-panic hyper-inflation, a serious deflation hits and metals' prices plummet and the USA $Dollar$ are are still rich in the now higher valued U$A bucks and haven't lost a dime. whereas your stock pile of copper is a half or a third or a tenth of its value, in the depressed market. Remember in early 2009, copper was around a buck per pound, its now 4x that, if you had bucks in 2009 you could buy up that cheap copper(like I did, 3000#s worth), if you had metal ingot nickle you couldn't

  7. In Malaysia, the central bank recently devalued the local coins by as much as over 50% in a single go by issuing a new series of coins with much cheaper metallic content such as stainless steel as well as smaller weight. The previous series of coins were cupronickels (75% copper, 25% nickel).

  8. Nickels also have collector value. Unlike pure nickel or copper, some of those nickels will be highly prized by collectors in the future. Like all coin collectables, it is hard to determine which ones will we worth more in the future, but if you are putting them away in bulk, you will probably have few if you are willing to dig through them.

  9. One aspect of buying nickels that the author failed to mention is that "war nickels" are made of 35% silver and today they are worth about $1.76 each. See

    So make sure you look through the dates before you bury them as you may be giving some silver away.

  10. Oh good grief!! What the heck is wrong with people and their "thinking" these days?? The REAL reason why there's "$1.76" worth of silver in a nickel is because the perceived purchasing power of the fiat currency (USD, Peso, Baht, etc) is DROPPING and therefore more of the fiat currency is needed to offset that loss. And that's ALL that inflation really is, it's the result of the decrease in the purchasing power of a fiat currency!! ALL of This was was covered quite well in my paper What is Money? from 1996 when I foresaw the eventual and inevitable collapse of the world wide fiat currency system!!
    You CANNOT continue creating electronic bookkeeping entries and fiat paper bills out of thin air and old cotton rags and expect things to go on forever. Read The Credit River Decision sometime and the history of the Weimar Republic with its hyper inflation.


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