Monday, February 18, 2013

Justin Raimondo Stomps on Rand Paul's Head

Do not expect Justin Raimondo to be named Secretary of State in a Rand Paul administration. 

First he sent out this tweet:
He followed that up with these comments this morning:
Ah, the many faces of Rand Paul – the man’s a walking contradiction wrapped inside a conundrum. The conundrum is how to retain the support – especially the financial support – of the nationwide network organized by his father’s followers, while sucking up to the same people who derided and smeared the elder Paul for his anti-interventionist views.
Raimondo is calling it correctly. Rand is attempting to hold two contradictory positions. He wants to attract the non-interventionist libertarian followers  and at the same time hold aggressive interventionist views in favor of Israel.

The full Raimondo takedown of Rand is here (Scroll down to Notes in the Margin), it is not to be missed. 

26 comments:

  1. Paul the Lesser.... I REALLY like that.

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    1. Paul the lesser indeed as everything he says narrowed to oblivion, the drone issue is very important but he restricts the question to use of drones against Americans in America, something John Brennan for all his other faults isn't responsible for....yet. hey Rand, look at what Phil Giraldi talks about Brennan's involvement in the illegal torture of prisoners during the bush years. Instead he joins with the other dingbats in the republican side pestering Hagel to prove he isn't collecting a speaking fee from Al queda

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    2. I consistently refer to "Bush the Dumber" and have yet to run into someone that doesn't understand which Bush to which I'm referring.

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  2. Raimondo has been 100% correct on Rand. Any libertarian worth his salt should be wise to listen to what Raimondo is saying and dont fall for Rand's con job.

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    1. I'm afraid there are many libertarians that aren't worth their salt.

      The problem, unfortunately, is that while Ron Paul has attracted many people to libertarian ideas, a lot of them are just part of a "cult of personality", around a politician and thinking politics will be the answer, they move to what they claim is "the next best thing". They are superficial thinkers that probably couldn't argue a pro-libertarian position out of a paper bag, since they still blindly trust a politician who doesn't even attempt to be consistent and clear about what he really believes in.

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  3. So, he is an "interventionist" because he supports Israel. If he had supported Hamas I assume that he would have been a real constitutionalist and Jeffersonian for you and Raimondo. Weird logic - you can be a libertarian 'non-interventionist' only by supporting the terrorist lunatics, because they happen to hate American federal government.

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    1. Step 1: Assign an argument to your target ("If he had supported Hammas I assume that he would have been a real constitutionalist and Jeffersonian for you and Raimondo.") The Strawman is Built.

      Step 2: Attack your target through the argument which he did not make, but which you assigned to him ("Weird logic...") The Strawman is Engaged, and "Vanquished".

      Step 3: Hit Publish. Sit back and smile smugly in your victory. The Strawman has been Defeated.

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    2. " If he had supported Hamas I assume that he would have been a real constitutionalist and Jeffersonian for you and Raimondo. Weird logic"

      Look at that! I edited your rant and made it sensible.

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    3. Ivan, they are all terrorist lunatics.

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    4. Ah yes. If you're not one of Israel's eager beaver butt boys, you are with the terrorists.

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    5. Dumbass. Just because you don't want to support Israel DOES NOT mean you want to support HAMAS.

      Or maybe you think that when Islamic Sunnis are waging a civil war against Islamic Shiites, you have to pick a side too?

      This is what i'm talking about when i say some libertarians are such superficial thinkers they couldn't argue their way out of a paper bag.

      Quite frankly, you sound like you're just making transparent excuses for regarding Israel as a 51st state, since the idea of NOT supporting them seems alien to you.

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  4. Once again, Rand is NOT a libertarian. He is a conservative. In his own words: "I am not my father".

    Did everyone forget about his latest visit to Israel to pay homage to the fascists to garner support from the Israel lobby and gain neocon praise?

    Rand's proverbial 'shit' stinks as bad as the rest.

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    1. Yes.
      But Rand himself has once again used the word "libertarian" in an interview with Politico, to bamboozle the weak thinkers among the liberty movement.

      So setting his B.S. ablaze continues to be important.

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  5. Libertarians that are still on the fence about Rand Paul are actually just Republicans.

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  6. Justin Raimondo has his panties in a bunch because Rand voted against confirming HAGEL. WATCH THE CONFIRMATION HEARINGS! Hagel is un-fit for dog catcher! Libertarians are suppose to support meritocracy

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    1. Actually, Raimondo had Rand's number a long time ago. For example:

      http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/09/23/the-hollow-man-rand-pauls-father-complex/

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    2. Libertarians are supposed to oppose all monopoly of violence, including political "meritocracy".

      However, IF someone is to be named in that position, it becomes a question of who Hagel's opponents would want. And we all know neocons, so we all know what they would want instead of Hagel.

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  7. I’m sick and tired of this Rand Paul hate. The truth is neither Ron nor Rand are libertarian. They both are old right republican like Ohio Senator Robert “Mr. Republican” Taft and former Nebraska Congressman Howard Buffet the father of billionaire Warren Buffet. As high ranking senator, the establishment and the neocons know that Rand is much bigger threat than Ron. Divide and concur is their game and what Raimondo is doing exactly what they want. They want us to hate him so that he gets isolated and out of money for election. Then they will offer him money for election and better media coverage if he worship Israel like all the rest of senators and sell his soul totally. But he has not sold his soul, they are still attacking him left, right and centre. He is just fiddling minor issues in order to adjust major issue. He did the right thing on Hegel and the pledge he made that he will back Israel if it gets attacked is irrelevant pledge because nobody will attack nuclear armed Israel unless they attack them first.

    RAND PAUL 2012

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    1. Is Rand's support of cruel, counterproductive Iran sanctions "irrelevant," too? And just how much "fiddling" must he engage in -- and how many acts of aggression must he help initiate -- before he tackles this undefined "major issue" to which you allude?

      You Rand apologists are a sad lot. You think some trimming politician will save you from the very "establishment" he seeks to join; and you debase yourselves by offering tortured excuses for his every sellout, equivocation and outrage.

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    2. Ron Is an anarchist just so you know. Rand Is a terrible human being

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    3. "I’m sick and tired of this Rand Paul hate."

      Prepare to be a lot sicker, then. Because it's because of people like you that we keep exposing Rand Paul, AND his supporters.

      The so-called "liberty movement" SHOULD be divided. Into actual libertarians and fake ones, like Rand Paul and the likes of yourselves. Real libertarians want no part of snake oil salesmen and the fools that buy into them.

      You're just a Republican fooling yourself into believing you're a libertarian. What else to say about someone who's trust in a politician is so great he is willing to excuse the blood he has on his hands?

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    4. 2012 is soooo last year.

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  8. Get some popcorn and watch while the Randites perform linguistic contortions as they defend Rand Paul.

    Libertarian is currently the most bastardized label in political discourse.

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  9. This is a beautiful example of why i have read almost every article by Justin Raimondo for the past 12 years.

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  10. Justin speaks the truth about Rand, but we in the non-interventionist liberty movement still have a problem: no national successor to Ron Paul has emerged to fill his shoes in future election cycles. The LP comes forward with respectable principled candidates as always, but it's not the same as having the intense grassroots support, serious funding base and visibility that Paul had and has.

    Whatever you think about neocons (and I think very badly about them), they have a good farm system for building future Presidential prospects. Apart from Buchanan in the '90's and Paul in '08 and '12, no pro-peace contender with national pull has come forward.

    If Judge Napolitano pursues the Libertarian Party nomination in 2016, and the grassroots get behind him the way they did Ron, maybe things will change. Otherwise, the best we may be able to get is Rand Paul in the White House, after which he names Ron Paul as Secretary of State.

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  11. Looks like EPJ is trying to help Obama mass murder people with drones by undercutting the opposition.

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