Cliven Bundy has just issued the following statement:
We are trading one form of slavery for another.
What I am saying is that all we Americans are trading one form of slavery for another. All of us are in some measure slaves of the federal government. Through their oppressive tactics of telling the ranchers how many cows they can have on their land, and making that number too low to support a ranch, the BLM has driven every rancher in Clark County off the land, except me. The IRS keeps the people of America in fear, and makes us all work about a third or a half of the year before we have earned enough to pay their taxes. This is nothing but slavery from January through May. The NSA spies on us and collects our private phone calls and emails. And the government dole which many people in America are on, and have been for much of their lives, is dehumanizing and degrading. It takes away incentive to work and self respect. Eventually a person on the dole becomes a ward of the government, because his only source of income is a dole from the government. Once the government has you in that position, you are its slave.
I am trying to keep Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream alive. He was praying for the day when he and his people would be free, and he could say I’m free, free at last, thank God I’m free at last! But all of us here America, no matter our race, are having our freedom eroded and destroyed by the federal government because of its heavy handed tactics. The BLM, the IRS, the NSA--all of the federal agencies are destroying our freedom. I am standing up against their bad and unconstitutional laws, just like Rosa Parks did when she refused to sit in the back of the bus. She started a revolution in America, the civil rights movement, which freed the black people from much of the oppression they were suffering. I'm saying Martin Luther King's dream was not that Rosa could take her rightful seat in the front of the bus, but his dream was that she could take any seat on the bus and I would be honored to sit beside her. I am doing the same thing Rosa Parks did--I am standing up against bad laws which dehumanize us and destroy our freedom. Just like the Minutemen at Lexington and Concord, we are saying no to an oppressive government which considers us to be slaves rather than free men.
I invite all people in America to join in our peaceful revolution to regain our freedom. That is how America was started, and we need to keep that tradition alive.
Cliven D. Bundy
He's become a regular Civil Rights Activist.
ReplyDeleteDoes he believe it is slavery when the federal govt forces a corporation providing public accommodation to do business with a black person? Just wondering.
What does he think about Eisenhower federalizing the Arkansas national guard when the Arkansas Governor used the state national guard to block black students from entering Little Rock Central High School? Was that slavery? Would blacks have been better off in segregated schools?
All Bundy is doing in this letter is showing how the racists use libertarian ideas to advance their agenda.
He made blatantly racist remarks about blacks. If you want to define racism so that it's virtually impossible to be a racist, go ahead. Just be aware the rest of the world is not going to play along.
"Does he believe it is slavery when the federal govt forces a corporation providing public accommodation to do business with a black person? Just wondering. "
DeleteIs this a regular thing you see happening? Do you think there is no market retribution these days for any business doing this? Laws only reflect the change in society, it does not create it.
"What does he think about Eisenhower federalizing the Arkansas national guard when the Arkansas Governor used the state national guard to block black students from entering Little Rock Central High School? Was that slavery? Would blacks have been better off in segregated schools?"
This question cancels itself out. Unless you think government-run schools are not government-run. Using one government to cancel out another government's prejudices? Aren't you only illustrating the point that the state itself is not a haven for saints?
"He made blatantly racist remarks about blacks."
Except Walter Williams already said virtually the same thing, albeit with better verbiage. As have several other black academics and commentators. Your only point here is to dismiss the idea that the welfare state as we know it has done more harm than good.
"If you want to define racism so that it's virtually impossible to be a racist, go ahead."
If you want to define racism so virtually everyone is racist, you've already succeeded. If you want to treat people as binary units as a method of dismissing any valid arguments they have, you've already succeeded.
JW: Troll
DeleteJerry, it's ok.....we all know by now you don't want to be free.
DeleteUnsurprising that you would completely misconstrue what Bundy said, Troll Jerry. Bundy was talking about the government plantation that blacks still live on and he wondered if it was any better than chattel slavery. Why did he wonder that? Because, as Walter Williams (a black man) has pointed out, the Welfare state did what slavery could not: it destroyed the black family. The modern day Democrat plantation consists of welfare, abortion and pandering for votes through race and class warfare. It also includes the predatory "economics" practiced by people like you, who believe in confiscating property and redistributing stolen goods to gain votes.
DeleteOne of the great heroes of the left, Margaret Sanger, was a Malthusian eugenicist who believed that abortion was a tool to use in the genocide of the black race. Now more than 50% of black pregnancies end in abortion, so you and your hero are half way there!
You and your liberal friends are the real racists, pal. Your entire political philosophy is based on racism. When you and your racist friends disavow Margaret Sanger and your systematic genocide of the black community maybe I'll disavow Cliven Bundy.
But not a second before, Troll.
I hate straw men, does that make me a racist?
DeleteWill you rebut Anonymous at 4:02 Jerry? Or will you just makes points and then disengage from the conversation?
DeleteThat's why I don't debate him. He makes one post then bolts. He's a troll, nothing else.
DeleteMike-
DeleteHe's a fucktarded troll. He will never debate, but will just spew bullshit.
Re: Jerry Wolfgang,
Delete--Does he believe it is slavery when the federal govt forces a corporation providing public accommodation to do business with a black person? --
There's no such thing as a private company or a private business providing public accommodation.
-- All Bundy is doing in this letter is showing how the racists use libertarian ideas to advance their agenda. --
Why would they? The true racists used liberal ideas to advance their agenda. Today, blacks are no longer a threat to the White Man's jobs nor are they uppity like before Affirmative Action and Welfare. I would argue that the racists won, thanks to people like YOU.
JW must be the retarded one in the family, obviously not very intelligent and lacks the ability to think for himself . Koolaid drinker
DeleteIf you don't think you are owned by the government in any way, answer these questions:
DeleteCan your children be taken away from you by them?
Can they take your money away from you without your permission?
Can they take your property away from you without your permission?
Can they take your freedom away from you?
If you answered "yes" to any of those questions, surprise! You're a slave.
LMAO... oh this is "heresy". This will really upset the state worshipping Jerry "let them eat cake" Wolfgang types.
ReplyDeleteAs The State stumbles and bumbles... we laugh. There are few greater joys in life than to frustrate the plans of the arrogant and powerful.
Ignore Jerry W., he's a troll who is Obama's buttboy.
ReplyDeleteBravo Clive! Hopefully enough people will realize we are feudal serfs or milk cows to the government.
Is Jerry "billionaire bailout" Wolfgang even real? He seems like a caricature. Sometimes I wonder if RW is providing a foil.
DeleteIgnore him at the peril of convincing others of our arguments. Many people hold Jerry's viewpoint. We should refute them head on so that people that come to this site can see refutations to his claims.
DeleteEdward,
DeleteI love jerry the troll, because he brings in the moronic statist talking points. This allows me to sit and laugh with my 14 year old daughter. The humor is good, the education my daughter recieves is priceless!
Oh brother. People are finally feeling the consequences of their politics and suddenly they're "slaves." You put yourselves in that position. Fighting back against the repercussions of your own mistakes is only going to make the situation worse. "Peaceful revolution" my ass. Go into any open "revolutionary" forum and all you see is the applauding of violence.
ReplyDeleteOppression leads to resistance. And that's the result of your politics. This is all the repercussions of your mistakes and continued oppression will only making it worse. "Legitimate government" my ass. Go into any statist blog and read the violent hate they spew.
DeleteThe difference, of course, is that statists are more honest about their violent intentions.
DeleteSo much for him being "racist". LOL!
ReplyDeleteand
JW: Troll.
Cliven Bundy For President 2016, but let us NOT send him to Washington.
ReplyDeleteLet us send every IRS,FBI,CIA,NSA,ATF,ICE,TSA, BLM,DHH, and any other useless Federalie BACK to Washington. There they tax,snoop,spy,grope,rape,kill,steal,lie to eacjh other and leave decent citizens alone.
And keep them there where they can be better "managed".
And Jerry Wolfbait can go with them too.
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And Cliven Bundy sounds like a Presidential name..
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And lol
Don't send them to DC... I live in the area.
ReplyDeleteAt least wait a few years for me to move to NH and join the FSP.
-- Cliven Bundy Issues Statement to the Press --
ReplyDeleteWell, unfortunately Mr. Bundy fell victim of his own naivette. If there's one thing a good citizen should know not to do besides talk to the police, is talk to the mainstream media.
Lew Rockwell showed this very well that time a court reporter tried to get into the Mises Institute to get some dirt on Rand Paul (as if). Lew threw him out saying "you're part of the Establishment."
That is the EXACT response that every citizen of conscience should tell these court reporters that are looking for dirt: "I'm not talking to you because you're just part of the Establishment."
We saw the extended video of Mr. Bundy's discussion, but here is a nice transcript of the full video:
ReplyDelete…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.
When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.
And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.
And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-controversial-remarks-full-context-video-with-transcript/
Also, don't miss Rachel Maddow from Thursday night, especially the last 5 minutes where she basically states that the nullification movement is derived from and synonymous with white supremacy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB8Oi1ARq3M
The transcript from the 3 minute clip is not the full video and tells us nothing about why Bundy was talking about blacks in the first place, and is missing the essential lead up to what is said in the 3 minute clip. Why is no one asking the question: "Why was Bundy talking about blacks at all?"
DeleteWhy is nobody wondering about this? Perhaps NYTimes reporters hectored Bundy with questions about Lysander Spooner and Murray Rothbard like they did Walter Block to try to trip him up?
Well now that I have y'all suddenly interested in the full context of Bundy's remarks about the Watts riots and blacks, here's a link to the full 60+ minute press conference:
http://bambuser.com/v/4549915
Bundy begins as he usually does by talking about his #1 issue: Dis-arm the feds! He's one of the very very few constitutional conservatives on the planet who understands that the purpose of the American Revolution was to disband the central government's standing army. Even libertarians like Ron Paul who must understand this are afraid to bring it up anywhere in a nation that worships the military and the police.
Then he looked out on those that had showed up for the press conference and lamented how they were all white and then he tried to make a plea for inclusiveness and diversity. (Strike 2 for being insensitive to the feelings of some conservatives).
Then he tried to explain why Negroes, Mexicans, and even Chinese are also being oppressed by the leviathan state and should all be out their with them making a stand.
And that explains why he went on to imply that we should ignore what he thinks the Constitution and laws prescribe as to rounding up Mexicans (Strike 3!)
So Bundy's remarks about the Watts riots, North Las Vegas, and Mexicans having superior family structures were tangent to his main theme which was an invitation to oppressed blacks and browns to come out to his ranch, swim in the river with them, enjoy a bbq, and join the resistance.
I'm mainly amazed at how so many libertarians can take a 3 minute clip that starts out with an eye witness description of the 1966 Watts riots and instead of wondering why in the world that would be Bundy's subject of discussion, the libertarians are all scrambling around in a panic accepting Rachel Maddow's premise that the 3 minute clip stands on its own. You might as well accept JW's premise that the full extent of Walter Block's statement to the NYTimes was that "slavery wasn't so bad." After all that's all they printed. Why wonder about the context?