Are the Tuckernacks already getting bored with Jeff Tucker's new web site? Can they only talk so much about the libertarian link to feminisim,civil rights etc., before getting bored?
An anti-IP guy gave me a tour of the new, currently walled, website. We came across this in the discussion forum (I'm 3rd party, so I guess I can run it according to Tucker IP views).
An anti-IP guy gave me a tour of the new, currently walled, website. We came across this in the discussion forum (I'm 3rd party, so I guess I can run it according to Tucker IP views).
David Burns posted:
I’d like to know what opportunities liberty.me gives us. A killjoy might say, “Oh, liberty.me is just Facebook rebooted inside a libertarian echo chamber.” I hope to see some real innovations, but so far I can’t counter the killjoy with specific examples. Please point to some, or mention your plans, or say something about what you would like to see here...Tucker responded:
oh goodness, can you imagine?! Well, the existing users know this is hardly FB in an echo chamber. I almost feel like I’ve actually escaped the echo chamber.
So far as I know, no site on the web combines all the technologies we’ve put into play here. It’s cool that it happened first in the liberty space. I fully expect this model to be copied around the planet, which is great.
also, the “echo chamber” thing will vanish next week when the publishing sites go public.For the record, I don't see the site as a Facebook reboot. It is much too busy. Facebook, Google and Twitter and most other Silicon Valley guys run sleek sites. The Tucker site is old school, think early AOL. But you can judge for yourself, soon. For a not insignificant fee, of course. You see, the intellectual property at the site is protected.
From the site: "The zone you tried to reach is restricted to Liberty.me citizens. Property rights are very important to us - so go ahead and become a Liberty.me member today to unlock all areas of Liberty.me!"
ReplyDeleteIntellectual property rights?
Maybe it's time to brush up n what IP actually is, which isn't protection of features on a website from the general public. Liberty.me isn't using government laws to protect its membership benefits. It's using smart methods to ensure access is limited to the general public -- so it can continue having a business.
DeleteNot according to their terms of service.
DeleteI don't understand this thick/thin stuff. You will choose your lifestyle and friends via private voluntary communities which will run the gamut. The NAP is essential but it does not and should not tell you what to actually do with your life or what makes for a good life. That's a different subject. Is that so complicated?
ReplyDeleteWow, is Tucker the king of hypocrites, or what? To be, on paper, rabidly anti-copyright, then on his own site assert IP? I think he may have wrested the KOH title from Stephan Kinsella, who is also rabidly anti-IP but (last I heard) makes his living enforcing IP laws.
ReplyDeleteMy own position on IP is pro-copyright and anti-patent. I don't lump the two together as Tucker, Kinsella, and others seem to most of the time.
Paywalls are not IP.
DeleteAttributed to Tucker: "So far as I know, no site on the web combines all the technologies we've put into play here. It’s cool that it happened first in the liberty space. I fully expect this model to be copied around the planet, which is great."
ReplyDeleteModest, isn't he? Set against the observation this the site is presently cluttered in an old-style way, it should be very interesting to see how things unfold. I have to admit to a very uncharitable wish for it to flop, and for sites run by people who understand what liberty is really about, to flourish.
You obviously don't "understand what liberty is really about."
DeleteOh exactly, and what Robert Wenzel has done is excellent also...a blog. I'm sorry, but that isn't impressive compared to Liberty.me. I mean look, Tucker has gathered leaders from the Free State Project, Molyneux, Block, Higgs, Doug Casey, Rick Rule, etc.
ReplyDeleteThat's exciting, at least to me. Not a just a blog, like EPJ, talking about the same old boring economic stuff. There's more to libertarian-anarchy than economics, even though it is important. Although, unless I want to be an economist, reading Hazlitt, Bastiat, Rothbard, Mises, and Salerno is about all the economics I really need to know.
It's not IP what they have here. It's a paid membership to get access to various things, which include books, online courses, Q&A sessions etc. You want books? Join as a member for one day, download all the books you want and cancel your membership. You still have the books. There's no IP protecting it. But if you want to be able to ask an expert (say Bob Murphy or someone) a question in real time as they're giving a lecture, you get that with a paid membership. I don't see how this is different from a LvMI seminar one pays to get into.
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