I backed Liberty.me. I regret it. It's even more of a circle-jerk than Facebook or Reddit. It's a gated community for a bunch of naive, self-important people (and yes, I was just as naive for backing it in the first place). I got a nice coffee mug out of it, I guess.
I'm still not entirely sure where I stand on IP, but yeah, the hypocrisy from the anti-IP crowd is palpable. The same people who say "you can't own an idea!" and think its just fine to download Metallica CDs hide behind paywalls for their own work, attach all sorts of terms and conditions to sharing and distributing it, etc.
Someone should start a freeliberty.me that re-posts all of their content for all to see and refuses to attribute. See how long it takes Tucker to lawyer up and come after you. The C&D letters should be great entertainment.
Yeah, have fun with the costs of maintaining a website on that magnitude without getting paid subscriptions to cover the cost of server space and bug issues.
Matt, I'm sorry but I don't understand. Jeffrey Tucker is doing something that no one else is currently doing with liberty.me. When you say "someone should start a freeliberty.me...." you're essentially verbally attacking Jeffrey Tucker. Why does it seem like you're vindictive towards Jeffrey.
Essentially your comment doesn't sound pleasant and sounds more like a put down. What did Jeffrey Tucker do to you? Although it may have been a joke, but I didn't take it that way.
//I'm still not entirely sure where I stand on IP, but yeah, the hypocrisy from the anti-IP crowd is palpable. The same people who say "you can't own an idea!" and think its just fine to download Metallica CDs hide behind paywalls for their own work, attach all sorts of terms and conditions to sharing and distributing it, etc.
Someone should start a freeliberty.me that re-posts all of their content for all to see and refuses to attribute. See how long it takes Tucker to lawyer up and come after you. The C&D letters should be great entertainment.//
Sorry, but this statement is unclear. Clearly a graphic designer, with an unknown stance on IP, created that image. Why are the views of individuals being assigned to an entire organization with user-generated content? For libertarians, we sure are eager to collectivize free, individual people.
I heard an interesting theory as to why the elites allowed the DARPA created computer network (the internet) to go public. This person suggested that it was to socialize IP.
There is no hypocrisy here. Analogy. Many of us want a no government society, yet interact with government all the time. How can you avoid it? It's the world we live in.
Same thing with IP. You can be against something, while still going along.
Besdies, tt seems likely that in a no IP world, paywalls would still exist. Of course there is no way of knowing in advance.
Matt - there is NOTHING wrong with being radically anti-IP *and* asking other people to pay for access to your content. As long as you don't go around suing people who copied your content you're not a hypocrite. In fact, success of iTunes conclusively demonstrates that people will pay for timeliness and convenience of delivery, if the price is right. Note that ALL iTunes content is available elsewhere for free (like, how hard is to install a BitTorrent client?), and the risk of being sued for downloading it is less than the risk of being killed with a hammer.
Of course you're right about this. Why is why I proposed the experiment of creating a site specifically designed to subvert liberty.me's paywall. We can setup an experiment to test the hypocrisy. If Tucker and co. simply politely ask for it to be taken down, they aren't hypocrites. If they get the government to shut it down, they are. I predict the latter, but I could very well be wrong...
Tucker wouldn't do that, period. Plus, you might be able to put up some of the content (most of it is by the community and free to the public anyway), but you would still lack most of the site structure such as discussions and chat. You could try to mimic it 100%, but you'd spend a lot of money doing so (probably not worth it).
I backed Liberty.me. I regret it. It's even more of a circle-jerk than Facebook or Reddit. It's a gated community for a bunch of naive, self-important people (and yes, I was just as naive for backing it in the first place). I got a nice coffee mug out of it, I guess.
ReplyDeleteI'm still not entirely sure where I stand on IP, but yeah, the hypocrisy from the anti-IP crowd is palpable. The same people who say "you can't own an idea!" and think its just fine to download Metallica CDs hide behind paywalls for their own work, attach all sorts of terms and conditions to sharing and distributing it, etc.
ReplyDeleteSomeone should start a freeliberty.me that re-posts all of their content for all to see and refuses to attribute. See how long it takes Tucker to lawyer up and come after you. The C&D letters should be great entertainment.
Yeah, have fun with the costs of maintaining a website on that magnitude without getting paid subscriptions to cover the cost of server space and bug issues.
DeleteHosting is pretty cheap these days.
DeleteMatt, I'm sorry but I don't understand. Jeffrey Tucker is doing something that no one else is currently doing with liberty.me. When you say "someone should start a freeliberty.me...." you're essentially verbally attacking Jeffrey Tucker. Why does it seem like you're vindictive towards Jeffrey.
DeleteEssentially your comment doesn't sound pleasant and sounds more like a put down. What did Jeffrey Tucker do to you? Although it may have been a joke, but I didn't take it that way.
//I'm still not entirely sure where I stand on IP, but yeah, the hypocrisy from the anti-IP crowd is palpable. The same people who say "you can't own an idea!" and think its just fine to download Metallica CDs hide behind paywalls for their own work, attach all sorts of terms and conditions to sharing and distributing it, etc.
DeleteSomeone should start a freeliberty.me that re-posts all of their content for all to see and refuses to attribute. See how long it takes Tucker to lawyer up and come after you. The C&D letters should be great entertainment.//
Sorry, but this statement is unclear. Clearly a graphic designer, with an unknown stance on IP, created that image. Why are the views of individuals being assigned to an entire organization with user-generated content? For libertarians, we sure are eager to collectivize free, individual people.
I heard an interesting theory as to why the elites allowed the DARPA created computer network (the internet) to go public. This person suggested that it was to socialize IP.
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DeleteThere is no hypocrisy here. Analogy. Many of us want a no government society, yet interact with government all the time. How can you avoid it? It's the world we live in.
ReplyDeleteSame thing with IP. You can be against something, while still going along.
Besdies, tt seems likely that in a no IP world, paywalls would still exist. Of course there is no way of knowing in advance.
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Matt - there is NOTHING wrong with being radically anti-IP *and* asking other people to pay for access to your content. As long as you don't go around suing people who copied your content you're not a hypocrite. In fact, success of iTunes conclusively demonstrates that people will pay for timeliness and convenience of delivery, if the price is right. Note that ALL iTunes content is available elsewhere for free (like, how hard is to install a BitTorrent client?), and the risk of being sued for downloading it is less than the risk of being killed with a hammer.
ReplyDeleteOf course you're right about this. Why is why I proposed the experiment of creating a site specifically designed to subvert liberty.me's paywall. We can setup an experiment to test the hypocrisy. If Tucker and co. simply politely ask for it to be taken down, they aren't hypocrites. If they get the government to shut it down, they are. I predict the latter, but I could very well be wrong...
DeleteTucker wouldn't do that, period. Plus, you might be able to put up some of the content (most of it is by the community and free to the public anyway), but you would still lack most of the site structure such as discussions and chat. You could try to mimic it 100%, but you'd spend a lot of money doing so (probably not worth it).
DeleteWhen's your book coming out on this, Bob?
It's a photo bought and paid for from a stock image website.
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