Monday, June 18, 2012

Rand Advisor: Ron Paul OK with Rand's Romney Endorsement

Last week, James Milliman, Sen. Paul's state director, explained to a group of Young Republicans in Louisville, Ky why Rand endorsed Mitt Romney, He also said that Ron Paul was fine with Rand's decision to endorse Romney. Video of Milliman's comments have surfaced.

"Rand would not have done this without his dad's okay," Milliman said. "So if his dad is fine with it, I think everybody else will be fine with it," he continued



(ViaBusinessInsider)

20 comments:

  1. If Ron let politics come between him and his son, I would be very disappointed in him.
    Nope. Ron is a father before he's a politician, bless his heart.
    BTW, a belated Father's Day good wishes to RP...

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  2. Might be that Ron supports his son no matter who Rand endorses in an election. I don't see how that has anything to do with Mittens.

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  3. There's a difference between "allowing" your son to do something versus endorsing it.

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    1. I don't see any difference whatsoever. Ron Paul sold out his principles in order to advance his son's political career. And that's all. It does not matter what the exact technique was: Rand endorsing Mitt and Ron supporting openly; or Rand endorsing and Ron supporting silently and tacitly (as he did) or both Rand and Ron endorsing openly. Those are just minor details.

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    2. So far, Ron has not publicly endorsed Romney or by extension, his son's endorsement of Mitt. He's not declared anything on Mitt or on his son. Silence does not confer agreement. It would look foolish for Ron Paul, an avowed min-archist libertarian, to condemn someone of a personal choice, particularly his own son. He'd look like a really bad loser, fighting openly on the national scene with his son. Please. Give Ron Paul a little more credit.

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    3. Ron supported Rand's endorsement on his Facebook page. He does not have to come out in the open and say "I personally support Mitt". Actually, for the establishment is better this way, because they can count on you, devout supporters and worshipers, to console yourself how "Ron did not endorse Mitt", and keep you that way on board. You are being duped, my friend into supporting the GOP establishment. You hero, Ron, made you so.

      For example, how do you explain Jesse Benton, Ron's campaign manager, condemning the Ron's people in Idaho for daring to try and take over the Idaho GOP? And Ron remaining silent about that? His main guy is openly sabotaging the campaign and he simply ignores that? Do you want to tell me that he did not know about Benton's abominations? Give me a break.

      I don't give any credit to Ron whatsoever. He was consistent and reliable libertarian throughout his life, but unfortunately he sold out now, in order to secure his son's political future in the GOP. Sad, disappointing, disheartening, but - true. Let's stop with silly denials of the obvious.

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    4. Jesse benton has said and done all sorts of dumbass things that Paul did not approve of him saying. Don't believe me? See what Wead and Paul himself said immediately after Benton's press release about Paul suspending his campaign.

      Ron Paul did no such thing as duping us or selling out -- Carol Paul herself said Rand did not talk to Ron about the endorsement, and rand had always maintained that he would endorse the nominee. The idea that Ron "sold out" because his son did what he said he was going to do the whole time is ridiculous. Rand? Yeah, an argument could be made that he did, but in no way could it be said Ron sold out.

      If Ron sold out, why is he still talking about all sorts of issues the rest of the GOP establishment are terrified of being brought up?

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    5. Do you know how bad the foxnews/talk radio/GOP establishment would covet a Ron Paul endorsement of Romney? They know damn well that it very well could be the difference in the election if the race is anywhere close. They could also use it to help try and destroy the Paul movement by saying Ron endorses Romney, so they all should too -- so you are completely 100% wrong. There has been tons of pressure on Ron to endorse Romney from the media, to the neo-con talk radio types, to virtually everyone in DC, to the GOP party itself, to all sorts of people promising to help or hurt Rand's future depending on what he does, etc. A Ron paul endorsement is worth ten times what a Rand endorsement is, and it literally would be a game changer. Your statement that the GOP establishment prefers Ron to not endorse Romney is incredibly ignorant at best.

      They know Rand was as close as they could get, and now they are terrified at how the Ron Paul supporters have largely turned on Rand because of that endorsement and how a lot of the power of that endorsement has been rendered useless thanks to the internet supporters of Ron. There was hope that they would follow along with Rand as they largely have to Ron, without realizing the reason Ron's supporters follow him is because he never has and never will "sell out."

      Case closed.

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    6. Anonymous at 11:07pm -- you sure look pretty stupid now with Ron's recent CNN appearance. He literally laughed at the idea of endorsing Romney and said there is no way. Is that part of the secret GOP sellout deal?

      Carol Paul and Lew Rockwell have both stated that Rand did not discuss this with Ron ahead of time, but I am sure that they are in on this GOP conspiracy, right?

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  4. I don't like relying on second-hand accounts. If we do hear a first-hand account from Ron Paul, it will be delivered at time when it is moot. I kind of respect that. He gains nothing by condemning his son. It is after all only politicking--perception-making in a game of power. Obviously, there was discussion between father and son, but the classy dad will let the son speak for himself on a decision he made for himself. As has been noted, Ron Paul has already won and won big time. The momentum he set in motion runs lava-like, hissing, plunging onto and staining every Republican, Democrat, conservative, and liberal plank and beyond, across the globe as Rockwell and others have indicated. No one can match Ron Paul's political and educational light. No one. In my years of watching politics from 1963 to 2012, there has been nothing like the Ron Paul campaign. Nothing. Never have I seen a candidate light a fire under people, young or old, to read texts on the Federal Reserve, resurrect awareness of the Old Right, and take on and tame every liberal ideologue from Matthews to Maddow. Suddenly the Federal Reserve and freedom are topical, and that genie is growing and can't be put back into the bottle. Ron has always said that liberty is a young idea. But that youth is not embodied in his son. That youth is embodied in each of us. It has given Americans renewed energy and faith in their ability to think about important issues of sovereignty and prosperity rather than the listening to the miniscule differences between establishment socialists lying about what they're going to do before and after they're in office. Ron Paul's legacy is too big and dynamic to be placed in the hands of a compromising, ambitious son. It's in the hands of each and every one of us readers and writers. Milliman's statement that Rand will be there if Romney doesn't keep his promise, whatever those promises are, is the height of absurdity and remarkably naive; actually, at his age, it's stupid. There is the candidate and there is the president--and never the twain shall meet. Don't we know who Romney is? All the clamoring sounds like readers are bitter about having Romney by default dropped in your lap as your man against Obama. That is a disappointment. When has national politics been anything less than disappointing? The one bright--no, brilliant light in all of this is the Ron Paul educational movement. Please keep it going. Do your own part. Write when you can and publicize where you can. Make each effort actionable and take courage. My 3/4 cents worth.

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    1. Great point. Ron has done what no one really thought possible in converting millions, especially the young, to seeing the matrix for what it is. That can't be undone -- no matter how many bitter neo-con and pro rand GOP types come on forums and accuse Paul of selling out, we all know he didn't.

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  5. So in other words the advisor is pure making it up. "Rand wouldn't have..." he's assuming, guessing, hoping...... making it up.

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    1. And the desperate love of Ron Paul worshipers does not know for limits. 10 days ago Ron's campaign manager condemned the Idaho supporters of Ron Paul for trying to take over the Idaho GOP!!! And you still expect your hero to come up and condemn his sellout son. Credo Quia Apsurdum.

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    2. @Anonymous: Maybe your question about the adviser's comments were directed at me, Anyonymous@10:59, not sure. I'll answer regardless. I think that if you're a candidate's PR man, you're going to make statements that flatter the guy you're representing. That's his job; that's what he's paid to do. And no one contacts him to be a golfing buddy to have pizza with. He's hired for his communication skills to shape issues attached to a candidate in an effort to broaden a constituency through more compromising, favorable appeals. Do I think that he is making it up? It's all invented! His answer is a political cliche that paints Rand as a man of his word and a pro-business junior senator with integrity to principles we've all heard so much about. Milliman is a political adviser. He's an image manager speaking on behalf of the guy who hired him.

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  6. I think there is a lot more to this dynamic. Maybe "all this" will get Rand into a position that he thinks he can do more.

    Personally I think he's putting at least his two feet under a political bus.

    Dr. Ron Paul isn't arrogant. I can't say that for Dr. Rand Paul.

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  7. This may be of interest. Lawyers for RP lawsuit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR3dzB8QLCg&feature=player_embedded#!

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  8. Where is Ron Paul's public response to Rand's endorsement of Romney? Ron Paul owes his supports some straight talk in public. Dad has been 'mum' on the issue for too long.

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  9. We're learning two things from this situation:

    1. The hacks that have unfortunately become associated with the Pauls are really, REALLY worried about how their base sees Rand's endorsement vis a vis his father.

    2. Given the snarky comments about Ron Paul supporters that are popping up in threads like these, Rand must be beginning to enjoy the benefits of the professional message board, forum, and comment services that the GOP media management retains.

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  10. The title is misleading. RAND's employee, dependent on RAND's popularity said Ron "must have known" of it, essentially, not that he did. And how would he know? Do you think for a second all of them were ever together in a room with Ron's schedule lately?

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