The attacker of the Sikh temple in Wisconsin is described by his stepmother this way:
Laura Page...described him as a "normal little boy" and struggled to explain how he came to be a mass murderer with a Facebook picture of him in front of a Nazi swastika.
Laura Page said that joining the military had appeared to be good for her stepson because it "gave him focus".
"Now I greatly question that direction. I don't know if the military was good for him. I don't know. I wish I had some answers. And we're not going to have answers because he's dead," she said.UK's The Guardian reports (my bold):
Page did well enough after joining in 1992 to be assigned to a psychological operations unit at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. The unit is regarded in the US military as exclusive.
But at the time Fort Bragg was also a recruiting centre for white hate groups including the National Alliance, once regarded as one of the most effective such groups and also among the most extreme because it openly glorified Adolf Hitler. The Military Law Review at the time reported that National Alliance flags were openly hung in barracks and, out of uniform, soldiers sported neo-Nazi symbols and played records about killing blacks and Jews.
"White supremacists have a natural attraction to the army," the Military Law Review said. "They often see themselves as warriors, superbly fit and well-trained in survivalist techniques and weapons and poised for the ultimate conflict with various races.
"White supremacists have a natural attraction to the army," the Military Law Review said. "They often see themselves as warriors, superbly fit and well-trained in survivalist techniques and weapons and poised for the ultimate conflict with various races."
ReplyDeleteIf only they (and everyone else) knew the ultimate conflict was really between man and state.
More evidence of the sickness inside America. The US always projects that sickness onto the rest of the world - John Wayne style - the enemy is out there yet the sickness is inside. The drugs, the guns, the high level of neurosis in US society to mention a few.
ReplyDeleteUntil this is owned there is no chance the national psyche will be healed. God save America!
What the hell are you talking about?
Delete"White supremacists have a natural attraction to the army," the Military Law Review said. "They often see themselves as warriors, superbly fit and well-trained in survivalist techniques and weapons and poised for the ultimate conflict with various races."
ReplyDeleteI am calling BS.
I was at Fort Bragg in the 1990s and early 2000's, right up until I saw the brass getting ready to start Operation Iraqi Fiefdom. Then I said, "We have a front against people who actually ADMIT to attacking us in Afghanistan. And now we're doing ?????"
That was wake-up and smell the corruption time.
Bragg is not perfect. It is about the way you'd expect a base housing 70,000 young (predominantly) men between the ages of 18 and 22 out from under mommy and daddy's thumb for very the first time.
But this "Military Law Review" statement bears no resemblance to what I saw heard and knew. I WAS THERE AND INSPECTED THOSE BARRACKS during the period when "Military Law Review at the time reported that National Alliance flags were openly hung in barracks and, out of uniform, soldiers sported neo-Nazi symbols and played records about killing blacks and Jews."
And I didn't see that being done 'openly'. There were deviants...and they were punished, tossed out, or tossed in jail.
Fort Bragg is at the center of cumberland county ... about 40% black, most of whom are LBJ Great Grandchild type of people. If 96 CA troops were running around wearing Nazi symbols and playing records about killing blacks like the Military Law Center says they were, there would've been running gun battles up and down Hay street.
Fayetteville would have looked like Mogadishu, and would make Chicago look like a picnic. Instead during the 1990's Fayetteville cleaned up all 'soldier entertainment' that had previously earned Fayetteville the moniker 'Fayett'Nam'.
This has even less credibility than the Southern Poverty Law center spew.
I sniffed the BS too.
DeleteThere are a LOTTA black guys in the Army. Do you think for a moment they would tolerate the open display of racist materials????? UhUh. I PITY the po' (Nazi) fool!!!
I'm former USN STG2 2002-2006. While there are certainly little "clicks" in the military and they have their beliefs, there is no way that such a thing would have gone on brazenly without being punished, especially at a stateside installation (deployed to an AOR during war is a different story). You're far too close to brass stateside and you're too hung up on looking better than the other guy, the political pressure of PC-perfection is far too great. Plus, by Mises's theory of bureaucracy, the Army hasn't the rules or room to fit such things into their structure considering the Army regs of the time.
DeleteAs I have already pointed out on this site, it would be totally unprecendented for an active candidate to address the Republican convention. Even Mitt Romney will not speak at the convention until after he is nominated. So it is completely unrealistic to expect Ron Paul to be offered such a spot and no affront to the Paul campaign that he is not.
ReplyDeleteI have also pointed out that if Rand Paul is going to ask Romney supporters to vote for Thomas Massie or Justin Amash or other liberty candidates, he has to support Romney.
It is easy enough to go it alone when you are running an individual candidacy, but if you are trying to build a movement, you have to work with other people to get your own people elected.
The only option to this is to remain a tiny, and completely irrelevant, movement.
Anonymous @ 4:44 PM wrote: "And I didn't see that being done 'openly'."
ReplyDeleteThe keyword here is "openly".
And you monitored everything All the time, so no instances would have slipped by you?
Anonymous @ 4:44 PM wrote: "There were deviants...and they were punished, tossed out, or tossed in jail."
Seems like a contradiction running loose.
Perhaps the punishment/tossed out or in jail was what the article referred to?
Are you aware of All the records of the place and the details?
I just would not be surprised if it was worse.
The Military Law Center's claim was that it was done openly. THAT is why the key word is 'openly'.
DeleteI never claimed there were no racists at Fort Bragg. There are racists everywhere. Most people are racist to some degree and don't even acknowledge it to themselves.
To claim that the 'proper' position is for the eradication of racism, and that anything less than a total open, covert, external, and internal lack of racism is unacceptable is a purely utopian position. It has nothing to do with reality. And everyone knows it.
From 1993 to 1999 the Army was in the process of drawing down from an end strength of 880,000 to ~400,000. People were being thrown out literally one or two months shy of full retirement.
Anyone in a leadership position who was caught with a misbehaving soldier faced not just unemployment, but a total loss of all the sacrifices involved in military life. At that time, military people earned about half what the same job would command in the civilian sector, was vastly more dangerous, because of 'just because' wars, and a high percentage would leave the service with a real, physical, obvious disability - like one of my privates who broke his back on a jump and had his entire spine fuzed from the pelvis to the base of the neck.
The payout was retirement.
SO, everyone was ANXIOUS to crush the nuts of anyone who misbehaved. They stood to lose EVERYTHING if they didn't.
You should note that this matches the evidence... the Sikh shooter was not discharged honorably. Usually, that means that the command wanted to put him in jail, but didn't have a strong enough case to put to the jury.
Here's more about the "Fort Bragg problem" from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/page-among-ranks-of-secret-hate-group-956d3p4-165212606.html
What am I missing here? Hatred of brown skinned people is hardly an unusual condition for an American. heck, we believe it is our God given right to kill any brown skinned devil for whatever reason we darn well want. (Thanks to Obama, American citizens are fair game too).
ReplyDeleteI also note Wenzel's occasion posts on the killing in Chicago on weekends. It was five last weekend? Where is the outrage there? I really don't quite get it, why the selective outrage?
I wonder how many Black or Mexican racist hate groups exist in the U.S. military? You mean there are no members of the Mexican Mafia or Louis Farakhan supporters there? Nobody with a La Raza or Malcomb X tattoo? That doesn't pass the laugh test and yet Big Media doesn't want to touch that subject. It's only Whitey who is racist right?
ReplyDelete@ Anonymous 6:03 PM - Using the Milwaukee Urinal Sentimental as an unimpeachable source isn't very convincing. Don't they support the labor cartel thugs, gun grabbers, Gaia worshippers and taxaholic socialist hacks who have done so much damage to the dairy state?
I'm calling BS, too.
ReplyDeleteThe media loves to stir up racial tension. In the 80s and early 90s, they went on non-stop about a mostly imaginary skinhead threat. Skinheads and other neo-Nazis got constant coverage in books, magazines, movies, TV shows (fictional, daytime talk and serious documenataries). You'd think there were underground skinhead gangs patrolling every major US city and infesting small towns everywhere.
In reality, their numbers were tiny. Gov't officials went after them in every way possible (legit and not) -- hate speech, tax evasion, apparent plots to murder or destroy property, etc. Also, their left-wing adversaries attacked them, vandalized their property and ran them out of places like San Francisco.
Now, I have no love lost for neo-Nazis or any other would-be tyrants, but the MSM always exagerrates their numbers and influence. That way, they can play their guilt-by-association games. I've seen them lump everyone from libertarians to home schoolers to gun enthusiasts with "like minded" white supremacists.
Prisons are about the only place where you'll find them ("white power" gangs) in large numbers, and that's more about protection and an excuse to be a prison thug. From what I've heard, the majority of them totally drop the white supremacist rhetoric when they leave jail.