Saturday, October 20, 2012

Water Wackos Are Going after Your Dishwasher

Gary North reports in his newsletter:
Next year, the nanny state is going to force dishwasher manufacturers to
sell only wimpy dishwashers: 5 gallons per load.

                        Kiss moderately clean dishes goodbye.

                        Unless you buy hard-to-find phosphate-based dishwasher detergents, you kissed really clean dishes goodbye in 2010.

                        Imagine this scene:

                        "Hey, buddy. Could I interest you in some discreet photos of nude dishes? Or
maybe you are in the market for some -- how should I say this? --
special-interest items not available to the general public? How about
something that raises Al Gore's temperature? How about some dishwashing
detergent with a little extra something? "


North goes on at his site:

This is from my friend Jeff Tucker. 
The regulation in question is “Energy Conservation Standards for Dishwasher, 77 FR 31918.” You can spend the day reading the history’s most obtuse bureaucratese, complete with legislative history and technical detail, along with testimony for and against and the Department of Energy’ final judgement. Or you can just internalize my summary: get used to hand washing your dishes. As of May 2013, dishwasher manufacturers are not going to be allowed to make or sell a machine that works. 
Why do this? Why, water consumption. This will save water. 
Right. 1.5 gallons per day per family.
The problem with these water wackos is that they don't understand marginal utility. They are acting as though the use of water by consumers is always unlimited in a free society and must be planned by a central government body. They don't get that use is regulated on the free market. The price system tells us just fine, where we should be using products and where we shouldn't. If water did become a much scarcer commodity, the price of water would go up, limiting its use.

By interfering in the free market, the water wackos are simply distorting the economy and lowering our standard of living. In this case, by making it more difficult to clean our dishes.

Bottom line: The water wackos are all wet.

43 comments:

  1. I've come to the conclusion that the environmental zealots, including the water weenies, do so not due to some ill-informed view about economics, but because they are misanthropes. They hate people.

    Their hatred manifests itself in their incessant meddling, legislating, and prohibiting of the things that make our lives better. I don't think they'll stop until we're all huddled in caves trying to survive.

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    1. Steve, you are so right about those "people" hating people. And, I hope you'll see another one of these open secrets... and that is that many of our laws have been passed by those who Hate men. Males.

      Many cultural decisions are based on the simple and genuine hatred of men. And if anything could be done that was good for men, it is considered perfectly acceptable to reject doing it, with this logic: "You'd like that, wouldn't you?"

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    2. To put the cherry on it, most people will sink wash with the water constantly running using far more water.

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  2. The price of water is already artificially low because of public utilities, leading to perpetual drought, fix that first.

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  3. End result? Hand washing en mass using easily ten times the water of current dishwashers. The LAST thing these guys want is a solution. It would put them out of work.

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    1. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand your point. Problem is you can't be an idiot either and most GS-99's re idiots.

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  4. Uhhhhh...

    Folks...

    The "Water Shortage" is no more real than, and in fact a great deal less real than the "Gas Shortage" of the 1970's.

    Water is as close to indestructible as it gets.

    It is called the first law of thermodynamics. And this is one law that is not optional, nor responsive to political pressure.

    All the water that would've been here had humans never evolved is still here. PERIOD.

    Really. If you drink caffeinated or alcoholic beverages you know what I mean. What goes in must go out.

    Really and for true. That stuff evaporates. And in the process it leaves all the parts that aren't water behind. And eventually, it falls to earth again as pure drinkable water.

    The only "Water Shortages" that exist are local ones caused by the draining of aquifers originally filled by the melting of the ice-age glaciers some 22,000 and 15,000 years ago respectively.

    Guess what? The whole ice-age cycle has happened before within the history of physically modern man. So, if you could wait another 50k years, those aquifers would be filling right up again. And in the mean time - because that water CAN'T BE DESTROYED - the water is all up in the air, or on the surface watering crops.

    Trust me. Water will absolutely not be lost forever after evaporating. It will come back. I've seen it do it.

    It's called, get this, R-A-I-N.

    This isn't a disaster. Before the water was in the aquifer, it was in the glaciers. And before the water was in the glaciers you want to guess where it was???

    That's right. It was in the air and on the surface, just like is beginning to happen now.

    And you know what? Animals lived just fine. Humans too.

    Anyway, about aquifers:

    There is one gigantic aquifer, the Ogallala Aquifer, that covers most of Nebraska, as well as parts of Kansas, and the panhandle of Texas. It is used primarily for irrigation. People who live on top of the aquifer use it for drinking water as well.

    They have good reason to worry about the aquifer draining. They need to drink it. They need to water crops with it. So, maybe there is some benefit to Nebraska, a part of Kansas, and the panhandles of Texas and Oklahoma conserving it.

    But for the rest of us it is all pain and no gain. Our water was never in that aquifer.

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    1. El Gordo-

      Do you think the average voter is smart enough to understand that?

      You can put raw sewage in a tank and evaporate it to make pure water. With enough energy (something that would be getting cheaper day by day if not for the strangling legislation) you can turn salt water into fresh water.

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    2. Uh? Falls to earth as pure drinkable water? If you like acid rain. Besides, maybe curbing use before water becomes in short supply MIGHT be a good idea. Not saying this is the way to do it.

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    3. El Gordo:

      Perhaps we could summarize your remarks by noting that there is the same amount of water on earth today as there was 2000 years ago when Jesus walked upon it.

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    4. Same amount of water. 7 billion people relying on it compared to less than 6 billion 20 years ago.

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    5. Actually, El Gordo, while the total amount of water on earth may have changed by next to nothing over the eons, the amount of usable, accessible water is what we're concerned with. A great deal of water is stored on earth as ice, and is currently unavailable for our use. If you believe the global warming hypothesis (I don't), the supply of usable water that is currently in the evaporation/rain cycle has INCREASED in recent years do to melting of the polar ice caps. Most of the water wackos are also global warming fanatics who are too caught up in their own little green world to notice that their two favorite hypotheses are contradictory.

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    6. Actually, El Gordo, what we are concerned with is not the total amount of water on earth, but the amount of usable accessible water. While the first law of thermodynamics assures that the total has remained relatively constant over the eons, the amount that is accessible and usable by the polulace does change due to the draining of aquifers, pollution, etc. That said, I find it funny that the water wackos are mostly the same people who champion the hypothesis of global warming as an excuse for government intervention in how we use our air. If you believe in global warming (I don't), then the supply of usable water in the evaporation/rain cycle must have INCREASED over the last century due to melting of the polar ice caps. But these government interventionist goofballs are so caught up in their little green world that they fail to notice their two favorite hypotheses are contradictory.

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  5. Numbers from a boat guy with a reverse osmosis water maker.

    Gals of water required per day: 10 (with shower)

    Water produced with reverse osmosis water maker (from salt water):
    8Gal/Hour

    Diesel fuel per hour to run water maker: 1/2 Gal/Hour
    Cost of fuel: $5.00/Gal

    So, to provide water used per day:
    10 gals water : 1.25 Hours : .625 Gals diesel : $3.12 / Day for water
    So, my cost per day for ALL my water needs = $3.12 per day.
    BTW, that also runs my fridge and charges my batteries for the day.
    Crisis??? What freakin' crisis???
    I just pay what it costs. Much higher and I take salt water baths. BFD.

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  6. Water shortage may be a code for "limited water delivery infrastructure capacity". If a municipality cannot afford expansion, replacement or even maintenance, that may be seen as a nice way around the problem before it is inherited by the next guy in office.

    There was a similar situation in Europe with incandescent lamps of 100W or more. They got banned for being evil and such, but people do not like the inferior spectrum of "eco" lamps, so they found a way around. The lamps were renamed into "radiant heating devices", as most of their energy is radiated in infrared. So rename that washer into "a materiel sterilization apparatus", as a typical NaOH/KOH component of detergents does sterilize to some extent. Or better still, "an anti-terrorist decontamination system". Unless they support terrorism, they would not dare.. Or would they?

    But seriously, one has to keep one's eyes tightly shut to not see where this is all going. How much more warning is necessary? There simply are less bad places to live this short life.

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  7. Go buy a Bosch brand dishwasher today it they work great on 5 gallons a load. The stupid American manufacturers cannot figure out how to do it right but the Germans can

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    1. I bought one 2 years ago. It's better at cleaning than my old one which used much more water.

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  8. So those without a pot to pee in now want us to be like them?

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  9. Christ, I already have to flush my toilet four times to save water. Now I am going to have to wash my dishes four times too? I'm going to go flush the toilet right now (twice - and I don't even need to use it) in the spirit of flipping the nanny the bird.

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    1. Right on! I'm going to put all my dirty dishes in the toilet and keep flushing until they are clean. That will do it!

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    2. Since it is just two of us, I will wash by hand as many singles or couples usually do. Water bills are going up everywhere. The EPA control freaks can take their pricy LED light bulbs,n new dishwashers, low flow shower heads, etc. and stick em in their ear/butt.

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  10. no problem, just rinse em off good first, and use the machine for sanitation. wastes more water, but so what.

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  11. To find out how the communists have infiltrated our schools, courts, businesses, government and military read the book – The Naked Truth – The Naked Communist Revisited.
    Written by James Bowers, the book is an analysis of a specific section of W. Cleon Skousen's book, "The Naked Communist".

    Published back in 1958, the section referred to is titled "Current Communist Goals". Skousen, armed with an FBI background, listed what he felt were the top 45 goals of the Communists as of 1958. The terrifying reality is that most, I must repeat, MOST, of their goals have been accomplished.

    Also watch the documentary “ AGENDA – Grinding America Down” and the free youtube interview by G. Edward Griffin of Yuri Bezmenov. He was a Soviet defector who specialized in propaganda for Russia and he tells how the communists have been working their plan for a hundred years. This interview was in the mid 80’s !!! Mind Boggling information.

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  12. I am old enough to remember when there was no such thing as an environmental engineer. Since we started that discipline and offered degrees those folks need something to do annually to earn their keep.
    We have created a monster. The more engineers that graduate each year the more expensive problems society will have satisfying the things they dream up. Like having too many lawyers.
    How is that for a theory.

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    1. When those eco Nazis come after you for irrational exuberance in flushing you will need a lawyer to defend you.

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  13. Come on now just get in line like good sheeples!! They know best for the collective. We have been way too stingy of a society so we must pay because it's FAIR. A fair shot to fair water that is fair to us all. What don't you understand or are you just an environment trashing type of person? Be fair to mother earth and the collective. This kind of sh!t drives me crazy.

    Look even if Romney gets elected and he puts into place an amazing economic plan, new better tax code and wipes out regulation from the Federal side of government, and I'm not talking about letting the Banks do a do over like 2008, I'm talking about siting regulations for new plants and businesses. There will still be so much environmental regulation at the state level for most states that the economy wouldn't get going in time before the next 4 year term. The environmentalists will come out in droves to kill or at least extend most expansion projects. Sorry but the environmental fascist wackos have put into place a system that will require a lot more than changing a few regulations.

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    1. You probably don't remember that your toes would fall off if you stuck your foot into the Hudson, or if you rowed the Charles you needed a gas mask before you got to Watertown, (God forbid you actually swam in it) or when I moved to maine there were literally no eagles, the rivers were covered in what looked like your clothes washer overflowed, that even now the rain could be used in place of vinegar, that there are signs on maine rivers and lake warning pregnant women not to eat fish caught there because of mercury from coal fired plants, that you used to be able to pump raw sewage directly into the rivers and the ocean, that BP pumped billions of barrels of oil into the gulf, that you had better not eat too much tuna, it's full of mercury too,that pig farms are astonishingly polluting, but environmentalist are all left wing communist regulation loving nuts! By the way, have you noticed the price of fish these days? They are getting really scarce, especially as their spawning grounds in rivers and marshes are polluted or dammed or built over. But people who worry about that stuff are radical nuts!!!

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    2. Dude, you're talking about going from one extreme to another. Just because there was no regulations "back in the day" doesn't mean you have to go to some psychotic extreme to correct the problems. This is just another situation where there is too much government trying to justify its existance. They always are ready to pass more regulations. Ever see them repeal some of the nonsense from the past?

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    3. Government regulation is certainly the primary cause of our worldwide economic mallaise. The latest example to frost my nut: Regulations prohibiting the sale of extra large soft drinks containing sugar have already passed in New York City. Really. This is the most useless and ridiculous intrusion of government into our lives yet. We must curb government. We must take back control of our lives.

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    4. I think we should have a complete Congressional term devoted entirely to repealing laws and regulations, and closing unnecessary government agencies. Lord knows there is more than enough work to do in that area to keep them busy for years. It would help balance the budget and get government thinking right for a change. Their goal needs to be preservation of liberty, not restriction of it. Romney had a good comment in one of the debates: He's going to put every government program to the test "Is this so important that it's worth borrowing from China 40 cents of every dollar the program costs?" Fail the test - out it goes.

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  14. I bought an old Whirlpool(70s vintage) clothes washer last year that was refurbished. It uses a lot of water...but I can do huge loads of clothes(I have 4 kids) and they ALWAYS come out clean.

    6 years ago I bought a Kenmore HE front loader that the old whirlpool replaced. It was OK...but it would have never sufficed with my now larger family and sometimes I had to do a 2nd wash on clothes that didnt come out right.

    I imagine I will do the same if I am in need of a dishwasher. There are even websites for people who buy old classic clothes washers...I am sure this regulation will do the same for dishwashers.

    This crap kind of reminds me of Cuba, with people driving old cars and just keeping them forever and fixing them.

    Viva la Revolucion! Fidel would be proud of our *progress*.

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    1. I felt like I needed to add a little more:

      When I bought the HE washer 6 years ago I did some math on the water savings for it($630 at the time) versus a standard upright that was not "HE" @ $300.

      It turned out that the "break even" point in water cost was around 3 years in terms of water savings between the two. However, my #'s didn't account for "rewashes" or the extra time because the washing capacity was lower to "show" less water usage in the HE models. So there's unaccounted for cost in the time and rewash differentials.

      Even further, my "new" old refurbished Whirlpool was bought for $75...making the "break even" over 2 years longer, not withstanding my time preference for money being now(more silver!) rather than later. The HE after 6 years was too expensive to repair due to the nature of it's failure in regard to its design(bearing failure in tub requiring massive man hours unlike a standard).

      You can run similar #'s when it comes to cars too. Spend $30K on that Prius...or buy a Ford Fiesta for $13K and if you don't do more than 50K miles/year the break even is ridiculous(but having a Prius sure does make you feel good! lol...that's a lot of money to feel so...but ok).

      If you really cheap out you can get an old Chevy Sprint in decent condition for $2k and the break even point never happens! lol

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  15. A few years ago we bought a Bosch (Germany) dishwasher when we remodeled the kitchen. I had my doubts when I read that it used only six gallons of water, but it turned out to be the best machine we have ever owned. At the same time we moved the laundry into the garage, and repurposed the laundry room into a pantry. We bought high efficency W/D and they too are the best we ever had. We now use about half the water we used to, and the water & sewer bill total less than the cost of lunch for two at McD's.

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  16. I have lived in the same house for almost 40 years. During that time a nearby road has been widened from 2 lanes to 6 lanes. The air pollution in the 1970s was far worse at my house in than it is now even though the road has been widened. The clean air that I now breath was provided by the environmental clean up that was undertaken over the last 30 years. There is no economic incentive for an individual to clean up his car emissions or to reduce his own water usage. One purpose of government is to provide for the public welfare. Read the Constitution.

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    1. The "general welfare" clause of the Constitution is the mostly widely abused section of the law by far. It does not and should not give Congress the power to regulate our activities at the expense of our liberties, in the name of someone's opinion of what is best for everyone.

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    2. Here, here, most 'sheeples' in the usa don't even begin to realize the full impact of this wise observation. I'll give you 2 examples, maybe three that will just 'blow' your mind! a.) In the 'name of safety,' all local, state, county and federal 'police agencies' have 'bastardized' the laws on the books that state ONLY 'Corporate, fiction -al entites' MUST have a Driver's licenses to 'drive' a 'motor vehicle,' etc. In other words it's a 'privileged activity' to use a 'Corporate Vehicle' for 'Operating in Commerce' upon the 'public roads' and EVERY Judge knows it! But yet they will 'convict you' in a Criminal Court for a NON Criminal 'Complaint' called a 'Traffic Viola-tion,' etc. -Which means that ALL Non-Commerce related 'travel' in your 'personal automobile' has never, ever been the lawful subject of the Vehicle License and Registration Codes in each and every state, plus the Federal Vehicle Code...! Look up the Lrgal Definition of a 'Motor Vehicle' in the Federal Vehicle Code, and it's NOT you, is it?!? b.) It's exact same thing in the IRS 'Tax Code,' and, c.) in the 'Property Tax Codes' of every state and the Federal Reg's! Unless you're on Federal Territory, or are a Federal Employee, or a 'Federal Citizen,' absolutely NONE of these Tax Codes, CONgres-sional "Rules and Regulation's" even apply to you by Definition, as CONgress ONLY has (exclusive) lawful Legislative Jurisdiction over D.C and any other Federal Territory, period, end-of-story, see the Constitution for that, in Article I, Section 8 read it for yourselves...!!! "To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases what-so- ever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the accept- ance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States"

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  17. 'Tunnel vision' funded by taxpayer money is the real problem. Government specialists only focus on a select goal without looking at the bigger picture. Their mission is to only work on one spec. It's like the geoengineering guys who promote shooting sulfates into the upper atmosphere without considering the consequences.

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  18. I've got a septic system and well. I get nearly 100 inches of rain per year on 124 acres. Why would I need to conserve water?

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    1. YOU are the reason we need these laws. People like YOU that believe you are self sufficient must be made to realize that your behavior impacts EVERYONE! What about the water that would run off that you are stealing? Your selfish

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    2. You are selfishly stealing water from the earth!!!

      /sarc off

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  19. Buy yourself, baking soda by the large bag and use it in your dishwasher with your regular dishwasher soap, it will boast its cleaning power in any dishwasher. Or buy paper plates, forks and knives etc and never wash dishes again

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    1. But then we fill the landfills with paper plates....... and on and on it goes and have to eventually regulate AKA put out of business, the paper plate and plastic fork business. Of course, that should keep Congress busy for a couple of terms!

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