Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Gawker: Ron Paulites Are Batshit Conspiracy Theorists

By Robert Wenzel

Adam Weinstein over at Gawker informs the world, in a post titled, Ron Paulies Are Batshit Conspiracy Theorists, Chapter 794:
[Ron Paul] parroted Russian talking points, praising Crimea's "right to secede" from Ukraine in favor of the big kid on the block.
Note 1 to Weinstein: Ron Paul is not parroting Russian talking points. He has recognized the right to secede long before the Ukranian crisis.

Politico reported in November 2012:
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that secession was a “deeply American principle,” amid a growing number of people petitioning the White House to let their states secede from the U.S.
“Secession is a deeply American principle. This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those ‘traitors’ became our country’s greatest patriots,” the former presidential candidate wrote in a post on his House website. “There is nothing treasonous or unpatriotic about wanting a federal government that is more responsive to the people it represents.”
Weinstein writes:
Some libertarians think Paul's argument elides a basic truth: Russia invaded Crimea on the thinnest of pretexts, then gamed the entire "self-determination" vote in Crimea—with troops, with organizers, with propaganda—to tip it absurdly in the Russian bear's favor.
That's all true. You don't have to want a U.S. war with Russia to recognize that Vladimir Putin pulled a greedy despotic land-grab

Note 2 to Weinstein: It was the U.S. that initially meddled in the affairs of Ukraine and caused the overthrow of a democratically elected government (SEE:  An Important Second Listen to the “F–k the EU” Ukraine Recording). Putin simply reacted to the U.S. instigated overthrow.

Without the U.S. meddling in the backyard of Russia, Russia would have never entered Crimea. It did so after the overthrow only to protect the overwhelming number of Russian people in the area and to protect its warm water naval port. A port the Russians have legitimate use of based on an agreement ratified in 1999 by the Russian and Ukrainian parliaments, which included a payment to the Ukrainian government  of US$526.5 million.

Weinstein marches on to enter the insane world of "humanitarian" libertarianism that goes beyond the non-aggression principle and, apparently, thinks that white men are some kind of problem:
This insane blather speaks to a larger problem with white-guy-dominated libertarianism: It assumes that coercive power only comes from the barrel of a gun, and not from cultural and extra-institutional pressures.
Note 3 to Weinstein: I get it. You can't say anything negative about women, blacks or gays, in your "humanitarian" world, but you can piss on straight principled white men all day.

Weinstein then goes on to imply that Paulites are ignoring facts:
I don't think anybody who's not high on Kristol Meth wants a U.S. intervention in Crimea or Western Ukraine or anywhere else over there. But neither does that mean we should ignore facts...

Note 4 to Weinstein: When you admit to the fact that Assistant US Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt  were caught red-handed plotting the overthrow of Yanukovych.

When you admit to the fact that Ron Paul was not simply "parroting the Russian line on secession," and when you admit to the fact that there is nothing more to the non-agression principle then, well, non-aggression, then maybe we can talk about who has been ignoring facts.

Until then, you appear batshit crazy to me.

30 comments:

  1. Adam Weinstein, Gawker's resident ignoramus who talks about things he knows nothing of

    http://bearingarms.com/gawker-creates-fake-history-of-worlds-most-popular-centerfire-pistol-cartridge-in-a-shockingly-inept-political-attack/

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    1. Yup - he is always, always looking to ban guns and take away gun rights even if he has to just make up a lot of bullshit. His picture he uses is hilarious too - he looks nothing like that and is a typical effiminate leftist Obama defender of things he once decried when bush did them.

      He and his type also love to bring up Ron Paul newsletters - but when does he ever cover Al Sharpton or Rev Wright or William Ayers - who all said and did far worse things than anything in a newsletter. Not to mention that they are Obama cheerleaders when he blew away a 16 year old us citizen in a drone strike!

      Mean words in a newsletter if done by people associated with Ron Paul - the worst thing ever

      Mean words said that lead to death like al sharpton in crown heights - worthy of his own tv show on msnbc and being the advisor to Obama

      Trayvon Martin killed by Hispanic - proof of white racism and need for gun control

      Blowing away a 16 year old us citizen with a drone - proof Obama deserves the Nobel peace prize and should be cheered on by nuts like Weinstein

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  2. Weinstein wants America to blow up because liberal journalism can't pull its weight in the market

    http://theothermccain.com/2013/09/22/the-plight-of-adamweinstein-history-economics-narcissism-and-generation-y/

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  3. " This kind of hysterical exaggeration, hyperbole, deliberate misrepresentation of the facts, and outright lying (Van Damme and Seagal?) bespeaks a rancid, ideological hatred for his political opponents. This is the writer overlaying a template on Zimmerman that isn’t even a caricature of the truth.

    --- Adam Weinstein hysterical grand-standing
    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/12/the-politics-of-rage-and-stupidity/

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  4. Classless Weinstein attacks Lynn Cheney

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gawkers-classless-coverage-liz-cheneys-withdrawal
    nder a picture of Liz Cheney with the word quitter written in bold to her left, Adam Weinstein posted a report about Ms. Cheney's withdrawal from the Wyoming Senate race on Gawker Monday called "Liz Cheney Bails on Senate Bid Like Her Pa's First Heart Bailed on Him."

    The post was nothing more than a vicious attack on the former candidate. In four paragraphs Weinstein accused her of "pissing off voters," being a carpetbagger, throwing her lesbian sister under the bus and, along with her father, having "single-mindedly bullshitted and blundered their way into a costly losing battle."

    Proving he had totally abandoned any pretense of class, Weinstein made it clear he wrote the post after Cheney's announcement on Monday morning where she blamed her withdrawal on serious heath issues in the family, suggesting that it may involve the health of her kids:

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  5. LMAO... we're winning. Keep it up all.
    There is no great joy in life than frustrating the plans of the arrogant and powerful.

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  6. http://www.zengardner.com/ukraine-corporate-annexation/

    UKRAINE - THE CORPORATE ANNEXATION

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  7. Secession is not a deeply American principle. The United States of America was not born through secession. It was born when a Constitution prohibiting secession was ratified via the democratic process.

    Ron Paul's phony foreign policy institute sees this as an opportunity to raise some money from the red necks and the Israel haters. If a portion of Syria seceded and joined Israel after Israel troops invaded the region, would be interesting to see how the Ron Paul center would respond.

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    1. In fact, Israel is annexing Palestinian territory on a daily basis, and Israel invaded, occupied and 1981 officially annexed the Syrian Golan Heights.

      JW: Troll

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    2. You conveniently forget American history prior to 1788. Why are we no longer part of the British Empire? Did we secede and declare our independence?

      And cite for us verbatim the clause in the Constitution which prohibits secession. Can't find it? That's because the question of whether the states could secede was decided by the barrel of a gun four score and nine years after the colonies seceded from England.

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    3. Well, I see you're going down the list of predictable, contrarian, easily-refuted, historically-ignorant statements that you got from, who? AEI? Heritage?

      You've obviously never read the Declaration of Independence, have you, loser? Its Introduction is as much a statement of secession, from Great Britain, as you can find anywhere. So, there's your first neo-con bullet point debunked. Further, "united States of America," in the plural, first appears in THAT document, as a name given to the collection of the several States. Point two, refuted. Might you be referring to the legal corporate entity known as "The United States of America?" Originally codified for legal purposes under the Articles of Confederations. Point three, gone.

      Prohibition of secession does not appear anywhere in the Constitution and it is a protected right reserved by the several States as per the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Point four. Ratifying conventions testify to this. Point five.

      I mean this is basic, basic stuff. Wanna keep going, or is your sock puppet getting cold and dry?

      As for the rest of your speculative nonsense, who cares? I think the answer would be the same, "none of our business."

      But why would Israel have such a reaction? The US isn't meddling in the area trying to undermine Israel in the least; it basically does what Tel Aviv wants and tells it to.

      Back to the basement with you, I guess.

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    4. Re: Jerry Wolfgang,

      -- Secession is not a deeply American principle. --

      Yes, it is. The 13 states seceded from the British Kingdom, did they not?

      -- The United States of America was not born through secession. It was born when a Constitution prohibiting secession was ratified via the democratic process. --

      You're equivocating (how funny, a Proggie equivocating - what are the odds?). Besides the usual canard that the Constitution prohibits secession (which does not), you want people to think that the US appeared ex nihilo once the Constitution was ratified.

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    5. Jerry, it's amazing how many things you can get exactly wrong in one poorly constructed blog posting. Kudos to the others who took the time to respond to you point by point. What an ignoramus you are.

      To the Obama Administration: You need to pay a better brand of troll. These people you keep sending out are as pathetic and uneducated as you are.

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    6. Ok, Wolfgangster, how about this? The leaders of the rebellion against the crown and parliament in the 1770s were nearly all subjects of the Kingdom of Great Britain. In fact, I can't recall any leaders who weren't subjects of George's realm. Even if there were a few such people, however, it wouldn't alter the fact that secession is a deeply British principle that was established in America through secession from the Kingdom of Great Britain.

      It's by the way that the Irish Free State, too, seceded from the UK. That was in 1922, though strictly speaking it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from which the Irish seceded. Further, N. Ireland seceded from Ireland to rejoin the UK, and Ireland remained a dominion of the British commonwealth for about another 15 yrs, after which time it seceded from the commonwealth, too.

      Happy now?

      Now why don't you send notice to the Irish that they are required to submit to Westminster once again? Tell them that secession is not a right, and be sure to give your home mailing address when you do so.

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  8. Note 5 to Weinstein: umm, you're a white guy too. Any thoughts on the white-guy-dominated liberalism (sic) you so disagreeably represent?

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  9. Waitaminute...we're crazy?

    Invading foreign countries that lack any impact of the US is good, and saying "NO" is bad?

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    1. "WAR IS PEACE," "FREEDOM IS SLAVERY," "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH." - Minitrue

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  10. Weinstein is a nasty bratty parasite that thinks it owns other people and their incomes, aka, Liberal. Poor little thing complains about huge student loan debt - studying Anything Stupid 101 - that the public school retards willingly took on. Just ignore the hysterical parasitic runt.

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  11. "I don't think anybody who's not high on Kristol Meth wants a U.S. intervention in Crimea or Western Ukraine or anywhere else over there."

    Notice the difference between ^that and how we discuss Iran or Iraq, where "All options are on the table (including nukular)" and "If we are going into Iraq, get the oil!" Why aren't all options on the table now? Why not go get Russia's oil?

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  12. Gawker, what crossing TMZ and Salon would look like. Faux intellectual articles written explicitly for the headline.

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  13. "This insane blather speaks to a larger problem with white-guy-dominated libertarianism: It assumes that coercive power only comes from the barrel of a gun, and not from cultural and extra-institutional pressures."

    Somewhere Jeffrey Tucker and Cathy Reisenwitz must be smirking with satisfaction.

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  14. I agree with most of this article but one thing I can't comprehend is the pass that most on this site give to Putin. To say that "Putin simply reacted to the U.S. instigated overthrow." is wrong in my opinion. You really think that Putin wasn't meddling in Ukraine also. He eavesdropped on two US State officials. He didn't do that by accident. He is a thug and has at least rigged his last election if not all. He probably rigged the Crimean vote not that it would have changed anything but it was above 90%. I believe in the NAP and don't want to get involved with the disaster that is Ukraine but to act like Putin is an innocent bystander is missing the target on him and it seems that is the representation given by a lot of contributors to this site.

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    1. I think characterizing our treatment of Putin as "giving him a pass" is grossly inaccurate.

      Putin is thug that rules by fear, favors and propaganda- just like Obama, or Bush, et at.

      Insisting that the US Government needs to withdraw all spies, CIA agents, foreign aid, etc. is what I want, and I think most posters here agree. That's far from agreeing with Putin!

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  15. @smitty

    I don't give him a pass. He's a KGB spy ruling through an intelligence network. We get that.But Nuland and Co got pwned in Russia's back-yard playing exactly the same kind of game. Smart thing would be to tone down the rhetoric and rebuild ties instead of laying down ultimatums they do not have the will to back up. If they won't put up, they should shut up.

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  16. "You really think that Putin wasn't meddling in Ukraine also."

    Considering geopolitical realities, amongst which the fact that NATO wants to push closer to Russia's borders by Ukraine getting inside the West's sphere of influence, it really isn't a surprise that Putin was meddling in Ukraine. Ukraine is Russia's neighbor; it's backyard, and it doesn't want to get completely surrounded by antagonistic nations. What's America's excuse?

    "He eavesdropped on two US State officials. He didn't do that by accident. "

    The tape proved EXACTLY why he was right to eavesdrop. So what is your point? That it would have been better had he eavesdropped on these corrupt bastards and found out his eavesdropping actions were unwarranted?

    "He is a thug and has at least rigged his last election if not all. "

    We're not giving him a pass for being a bastard in his own country. So stop with the strawmen.

    "He probably rigged the Crimean vote not that it would have changed anything but it was above 90%."

    Oh, he "probably" rigged the Crimean vote. Well, i guess your unproven claim should be more than enough for us to jump on the cold war bandwagon then, huh?
    How about this? Does anyone deny a majority of Crimeans (who are ethnic Russians) want to join Russia over sticking with a Ukraine, that has an unelected government as a result of a coup (supported by ultra-nationalists), and which seeks to outlaw the Russian language? No? Then the whole point is moot, isn't it?

    "I believe in the NAP and don't want to get involved with the disaster that is Ukraine but to act like Putin is an innocent bystander is missing the target on him and it seems that is the representation given by a lot of contributors to this site."

    You are contributing to the typical neocon drive to start a new cold war.
    Nobody here has ever given Putin a pass for being a thug in his own country. When it comes to Crimea, most or none of us are so naive as to ignore geopolitical realities that very possibly have driven Putin to taking these actions. Primarily, the West-supported coup driven by many ultranationalist and neo-nazi individuals, a coup which threatens persecution for ethnic Russians in Crimea, and which would help NATO get access to what is essentially Russia's backyard.
    In this reality Putin's actions must be analyzed opposed to the West's actions. How expansionist is modern Russia? How expansionist is the U.S. in terms of its influence? How expansionist is the E.U.?

    You are being naive by pretending Putin should have ignored the realities and aims of EU, NATO and U.S. foreign policies.

    And finally, why are we not focussing on him more regardless of any other considerations?
    Because before you tell your neighbors to clean up their yard, you ought to first make sure your own backyard doesn't look like a dump. Our responsibility is primarily with our own governments' actions.

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    1. Sorry but I guess because I feel we should attack both sides and their abuse of power instead of just the US then my comment was wrong. All I disagreed with is the statement suggesting Putin was just reacting and not part of the whole mess. That was it. To suggest that I am contributing to the neocon push to cold war is nonsense. I just disagreed with one line out of the whole article since I stated at the beginning I agree with most of it, so who is creating the strawman here. And no where did I say that we should focus more on Putin but that we should be fair in what is written is again twisting what I said. Your whole response is "moot". I stated that the rigging of the election wouldn't have changed anything as I am well aware the majority wanted to secede and which I have no objection. My comment of the eavesdropping was to give point that he was already meddling. I think it actually fitting to know the US is not the only corrupt government doing it. I think both sides are wrong to be meddling and both sides are not interested in the well being of the people involved but are grabbing for more land and power and influence.

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    2. Sorry but I guess because I feel we should attack both sides and their abuse of power instead of just the US then my comment was wrong."

      Putin's abuse of power in his own country is completely irrelevant to the Crimea issue. Bringing his domestic behavior into it is a red herring.

      "All I disagreed with is the statement suggesting Putin was just reacting and not part of the whole mess."

      He is just reacting to the whole mess. I already explained the geopolitical realities of the West meddling with Ukraine and supporting the coup.

      "To suggest that I am contributing to the neocon push to cold war is nonsense."

      It's not nonsense. Because you want us to jump on the "hate Putin" cold war bandwagon, by bringing his domestic behavior into the issue of Crimea. We see no need to make moral equivalences with foreign leaders in their domestic policies every time we condemn the West's imperialist actions. Would we even be talking about Putin right now if the West didn't support a coup and forced Russia's hands into taking action in Crimea? I don't think so.

      "Your whole response is "moot".

      Nope. See previous response. You wouldn't be complaining about the way Putin is being portrayed in the article, if the West hadn't forced his hands into taking action in the first place.

      "I stated that the rigging of the election wouldn't have changed anything as I am well aware the majority wanted to secede and which I have no objection."

      First of all, you have no PROOF he rigged the election.
      Second, if it wouldn't have changed anything, why even mention it? Like i said, you just want us to jump on the "hate Putin" bandwagon that is going on in the West right now, and which is part of the new cold war.
      Present evidence, otherwise don't try to get us to bash Putin like so many in the west are doing already.

      "My comment of the eavesdropping was to give point that he was already meddling."

      No, he was suspecting - AND JUSTIFIABLY SO - that Western diplomats were the ones meddling and getting involved in the Ukrainian crisis. Don't turn it around.

      "I think it actually fitting to know the US is not the only corrupt government doing it. I think both sides are wrong to be meddling and both sides are not interested in the well being of the people involved but are grabbing for more land and power and influence."

      And this shows why you are not taking into account geopolitical realities about NATO pushing forward to Russia's borders; Russia being virtually surrounded already by American military bases; the West trying to pull Russia's neighbor (with which Russia had an agreement on Crimea) into the West's sphere of influence, and Russia trying to protect ethnic Russians on Crimea in light of the antagonistic attitude of the new Ukraine "government" toward them.

      So spare me about Putin's disinterest in the well being of the people involved, or about his simply trying to grab land.
      Nobody is going to argue that the man is a libertarian and his actions are according to the NAP; but when dealing with reality we have to consider the intentions of the West - particularly America - when supporting the coup in a country across Russia's border. From the point of view of a country in a non-libertarian world, what Russia did is perfectly understandable. The fact that not a single shot has been fired by a Russian weapon shows Putin isn't interested in violence in this particular issue.

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  17. @smitty
    "both sides..."

    No. No equivalence.

    The USSR has historical, strategic, and ethnic ties to the Crimea and it was deprived of it on a whim. This is an area on its borders, and the EU and the USA are intimidating it. The US did the subversion first to the tune of 5 billion and has been staging color revolutions there since 2004.

    The equivalent would be if China and a Latin Am Union were setting up shop in Mexico and taking it over and northern Mexico seceded to the US.

    This is the trouble with empty abstractions in the place of history and judgment.

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    1. The USSR has ethnic ties because they slaughtered the Tatars (who voted not to secede) and forcibly removed them and populated the Crimea with ethnic Russians if you want to talk about history. I stated both sides because if you want empty abstractions, your comment on China and Latin Am Union, what if the US stuffed a bunch of Americans in northern Mexico and then annexed northern Mexico to the US because the Mexican govnt was hostile to them... Oh wait we did that with Texas. My point is that the use of State power is illegitimate no matter if it is US or Russia. Russia has been meddling in Ukraine affairs for a lot longer than the US though the US did initiate the latest coup and the color revolutions.

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