Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Court Order Allows OWS Protesters to Return to Zucotti Park

A judge has placed a Temporary Restraining Order against the City of New York preventing the NYPD from stopping Occupy Wall Street protesters from returning to Zucotti Park with tents and other gear.

NYPD stormed the occupation last night, removing all occupiers and removing tents and other occupier property.

8 comments:

  1. I wonder if the NYPD will return all the property they stole. Victims will probably have to spend months jumping through hoops in some bureaucratic labyrinth.

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  2. @ Anonymous

    Did OWS protester ever get permission from the owner of the private property called Zucotti Park to be and stay there?

    Wikipedia says the following:
    "In building this plaza, there was an agreement it be open 24 hours a day," Kelly said. (an agreement, or an immoral violation by government on the rights of private property owners to sell and buy property under any non-agressive terms they deem fit?)
    "The owners have put out regulations [about what's allowed in park]. The owners will have to come in and direct people not to do certain things."
    A spokesperson for Brookfield Properties, the owner of the park, expressed concern: "Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation. We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."

    In other words: *NO*, the owners of Zucotti Park have not given permission for OWS protesters to be there, at least while behaving the way they do, and so they are violating private property rights and forfeit claims to any property they have used to violate another's private property.

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  3. Reducto ad absurdum:

    OWS is on private property at Zuccoti. Police order them out, but a judge overrules them becasue they have a right to protest peacefully[sic for mostly].

    OWS moves to another location, this time, say, a shopping mall. It better suits their needs, being indoors and AC/heated. Police move in and and evict, but a judge says no, they can stay.

    OWS moves then to the home of the mall owner, sets up camp in the living room, etc. Police move in, judge says no.

    OWS then moves to YOUR living room...

    At what point does it become a violation of the property owner's rights?

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  4. @Tony

    "In other words: *NO*, the owners of Zucotti Park have not given permission for OWS protesters to be there, at least while behaving the way they do, and so they are violating private property rights and forfeit claims to any property they have used to violate another's private property."

    They are only violating private property rights if the property OWNER has objected to their presence, which I understand not to be the case (I could have missed something of course)

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  5. As far as I know, the owners of Zucotti Park made a deal with the city that that area would be open to the public (in exchange for perks, subsidies, whatever from the city).

    They made a deal with the devil and now they're surprised that the devil is behaving like the devil?

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  6. @ Danger Pioneer

    This is some of what i quoted:

    "A spokesperson for Brookfield Properties, the owner of the park, expressed concern: etc."

    I'm assuming a spokesperson is not going rogue and saying things the owners disagree with.
    It seems clear from what i quoted from Wikipedia that the owners do NOT like what the protesters are doing there.


    @ Anonymous

    "As far as I know, the owners of Zucotti Park made a deal with the city that that area would be open to the public."

    The "city" does not own any property. The "city" does not have any many of its own. Therefor the city should not be able to set any conditions.
    But even so, from the Wikipedia page i quoted it seems that the "open to the public" aspect of Zucotti Park is conditional, and that the protesters are violating those conditions.
    So either way, they seem to be occupying private property against the legitimate owner's will.

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  7. Conversely, here in New Zealand the police have told the city of Dunedin that they will not enforce the city bylaws; citing peaceful protest etc.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764789

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